On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>
wrote:
In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we
need a breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not
Alien?
Or contrariwise, why do you need a breakable programme to tell you
that it's your hand?
Sure, that too. It doesn't make sense functionally. What
difference does it make 'who' the hand 'belongs' to, as long as it
performs as a hand.
Maybe it isn't always obvious that it's my hand... I believe the
brain has an internal model of the body. I guess without one it
wouldn't find it so easy to control it? A body's quite
complicated, after all...
Why should the model include its own non-functional presence though?
Because the "model", the machine is not just confronted with its
own self-representation, but also with truth, as far as we are. Put
differently, because the machine can't conflate []p and []p & p.
Only God can do that.
I don't see why self-representation would or could go beyond a
simple inventory of functions.
[]p is self representation only.
But []p & p is not. We can prove that the machine cannot associate
anything 3p-describable for "[]p & p". It is not a representation,
but a (meta) link between representation and truth.
Why don't we see such a (meta) link in our own languages?
Because we duplicate too slowly, unlike amoeba, which have not the
cognitive abilities to exploit this.
This entails that in natural language we use the same indexical term
"I" for both the 3-I and the 1-I. We say "I lost a tooth" ("3-I") ,
and "I feel pain in my mouth (1-I)". Only teleportation and
duplication, or deep reflexion on belief and knowledge, makes clear
the difference. It appears clearly in Theaetetus, and in other
fundamental texts.
Bruno
PS for reason of scheduling, I will comment only paragraph that I
understand.
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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