On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:48:48 PM UTC-5, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>>> >>>> "If it's all math, then where does math come from?" >>>> >>>> Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it >>>> is a fact that 1+1=2. >>>> >>>> >>> These shapes appear to be letters and words also, but they aren't. All >>> it takes is a small chemical change in your brain and 1+1 could = mustard. >>> Even in a completely normative state of mind, 1+1 = 2 doesn't apply to >>> everything. Once cloud plus one cloud equals one large cloud, or maybe one >>> raining cloud. >>> >> >> (I'll try to elaborate and clarify in MSR terms; apologies if I get it >> wrong or miss the topic, as it is very high level stuff...) >> >> And since every raindrop can in principle be assigned to a cloud, the >> number of raindrops equals the number of possible clouds which also equal >> one (because normative brain cloud), which equals two (as sense " is >> abstracted into a language which extends it beyond literal objects to >> virtual objects with no subjective interior", so who cares, right?), which >> equals mustard in your sense brain individuality map, which isn't the >> territory, as you all know by now. >> >> I just asked my mustard bottle in the fridge, and it confirmed no desire >> for a subjective interior feeling of being, with its silence. Why would an >> entity be silent if it had subjective interior feeling? You don't think >> mustard bottles chat on internet lists about their internal state while >> staying silent via some mustard-yellow-spicy-wireless LAN emergent qualia >> fridge intelligence, do you? Ha, gottcha! That's where we miss perhaps the >> subtleties of MSR. >> >> I really wish this would be the final word and champion MSR as the final >> TOE, because the day we can convince our banks of this point, everybody >> with a positive balance becomes infinitely rich and everybody with negative >> balance gets some fuzzy amount of mustard. >> >> Maybe then I could afford the time to thoroughly understand MSR's main >> points, which again, as enumerated and therefore arithmetic points, all >> abstract themselves into a language which extend it beyond literal objects >> to virtual objects with no subjective interior desire territories, thus >> boiling it down to one brain point.... wherein, to my amazement, Silicon >> Valley, MSR, NSA meet, chanting: >> >> >> "the cloud!" >> >> The cloud as the mustard of sense. >> >> But I don't know if I have that time to really grasp MSR yet. It's my >> first post working with it... so how am I doing, Craig? PGC >> > > What a charming satire. So fresh and witty. It reminds me of one of the > gentlemen in the front row of this painting: > > Don't show me a painting; convince the banks! > > http://nevermindgallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/w/rw016.jpg > > That painting is just a representation of 1s and 0s, devoid of any interior subjectivity, so who cares? But if you allow this string of 1s and 0s to actually count as a painting (!), then I'm the drunk cowboy of course in front of the front row. Champion of MSR, I don't wear red because red burns retinas of sense. Red is the over-literalization of sense, and responsible for science's inconsistencies, as I'll demonstrate sense to show. Your work is just the start and my novel calibration of MSRDAPT (D for digital, Actualness, P-time), is already widening MSR's original scope, to allow P-time actualness and paintings, represented digitally to be subjectively sensed paintings, with an interior subjective life for the sensing beholder at some screen, like the one you just posted. In original MSR it would just be devoid of any sense, as implemented by 1s and 0s. In MSRD, these 1s and 0s can be a painting in which you share sense with me, without the actual painting's physical sense presence. It was said people on these lists are not flexible and never change their minds. I went from Plato to MSRD in one post. I'll keep mastering P-time actualness as well, although I won't buy any books until you convince the banks. For example: since the Universe is consistent, I as a part of it am consistent, so my statements are consistent; thus MSRD and P-time are reconcilable and consistent, because they cannot not be; otherwise everything would fall apart, i.e. no buckets of water and clouds experienced right now. Who cares about "inconsistencies of science"? The universe is obviously here, and so is consistency. Inconsistency is merely the locus of the spectrum of internally void subjective representations, where the map isn't territory (so I port some old MSR here into the new model) because objective, which fails to account for real buckets of water in a consistent and true universe, giving us only abstractions and equations. This is why sense uses the color red as the color for red flag (an original result of my work today); as in "warning, this is where the universe becomes inconsistent science". Unfortunately, you just sidestep my original post, not taking it seriously, when I gave it my best shot. This is why I was forced to extend MSR into MSRD + Actualistic P-time, today. This gives us MSRDAPT, wherein it is prohibited to wear vulgar things like red as this will make both wearer and observers, inconsistent scientifically, i.e. over-abstracting via sense, to loose sense in the amnesia of red territory actually present. Red takes us away from the actual, which is why sensing or seeing large quantities of our own blood causes qualia of alarm. That's how sense ties in with survival ideas and is primary to them. Biologists can never tackle the hard problem of "why red?", which we've done easily here. This also explains why everything else is not red, and thus makes Actual Sense, except red. This is why sense is primary to consistency, because something has to first become red in P-time terms, BEFORE it can stay red. PGC > > > >> >> >>> Math is about a very specific aspect of sense - the sense which objects >>> make when we count them. That sense is abstracted into a language which >>> extends it beyond literal objects to virtual objects, but no matter what >>> you do with math, it has no subjective interior. It's about doing and >>> knowing that is desired by what which is already feeling and being. Doing >>> and knowing by itself, if such a thing could exist, would be information, >>> but it could never feel or be anything. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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