2014-02-24 23:50 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: > > Quentin, > > Ah, at last a couple of meaningful questions! > > Actually relativity does NOT explain how the twins can have different > clock times in the same present moment AND compare and agree on them in > spite of what you say. I'll explain why... >
Relativity perfectly explains it... it is simply because they compare their proper time at the *same spacetime coordinate*. > > Of course one can place a coordinate clock at their meeting place and that > can be used to define a standard time for the event of their meeting. But > that is just cheating because that clock simply ignores the real fact or > their real actual different ages. > WTF ? > It's operationally no different than one twin just resetting his clock to > the other's clock and them claiming that's somehow the REAL time. > ???? I leave it there, that's just another proof, if I needed one more, that you just don't understand what you're talking about. Quentin > It isn't, because it is completely arbitrary just like the coordinate > clock, and it ignores the real fact that their ACTUAL clocks which are > their ages are different. Basically it ignores the whole fact of the trip > which is what you claim it explains. > > P-time is different because it is not arbitrary. Instead it is an absolute > background to ALL relativistic events, and it is real and actual, because > all observers agree they are actually alive in a present moment because it > is the basic empirical observation of their existence, just as you and I > experience that. And as empirical observations are the basis of all > scientific knowledge the empirical observation of existing in a present > moment that we all have must also be accepted. > > And to answer your last question, yes there is an absolute simultaneity of > any two distant events in P-time. As I've explained to Jesse, and > demonstrated with numerous examples, the clock times that correlate to to > the same past P-times are not always directly observable, but they can > always be calculated if we have knowledge of the relativistic frames of any > two observers. > > I will be happy to respond further to any questions you may have.... > > Best, > Edgar > > > On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:45:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> Just first, explain what p-time is supposed to solve in the first place >> that relativity doesn't. (if you come back again with the possibility for >> the twins to meet up, relativity doesn't need p-time for that, so you >> should find a real problem p-time solve that relativity alone can't). >> >> Then answer the following: >> >> Is there an objective fact about the simultaneity of two distant event in >> p-time ? Yes/No >> >> Quentin >> >> >> 2014-02-24 19:11 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: >> >> Quentin, >> >> Even if that were true, and it's not, it doesn't even address your >> contention my theory is inconsistent with relativity, which remains >> unproved and simply an unfounded opinion on your part. >> >> Perhaps you are trying to change the subject because you can't prove your >> original contention? That's fine, just man up and admit it... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:59:10 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Yes, you didn't know proper time and coordinate time, and now you're >> mastering it... you're the best joke of the internet... you should open a >> circus. >> >> Quentin >> >> >> 2014-02-24 18:56 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: >> >> Quentin, >> >> The pitiful thing is that you don't understand that is a true statement >> exactly as stated. It's a comment on definitions of terminology another >> poster was using, rather than actual theory. >> >> Keep trying my friend, but if that is the best you can do it will take a >> very long time! >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:43:20 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> For your pleasure, just a little quote from yourself: >> >> "If as you say, the ""same point in time" in relativity just MEANS that >> two events are assigned the same time coordinate" then the twins are NOT >> at the same point in time because the two events of their meeting have >> different time coordinates in their coordinate systems." >> >> if someone need a proof you don't understand s..t. >> >> >> >> 2014-02-24 18:39 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: >> >> ahahah >> >> >> 2014-02-24 18:36 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: >> >> Quentin, >> >> I challenge you to show me a single inconsistency between P-time and >> relativity. There aren't any that I'm aware of even though Jesse has tried >> repeatedly he is still trying to prove the very first one (by his own >> admission) and hasn't succeeded so far.... >> >> You can't just state an uniformed opinion and expect anyone to believe >> it.... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:19:57 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Plenty of people have already demonstrated the inconsistency of your view >> of p-time and simultaneity... you just ignore it and play dumb. You still >> haven't grasped what it means to be at the same spacetime coordinate... >> >> Quentin >> >> >> 2014-02-24 18:14 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: >> >> Ghibbsa, >> >> Nevertheless people keep accusing P-time of being inconsistent with >> relativity when it isn't and no one has been able to demonstrate any way >> that it is. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:48:09 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:41:17 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen >> wrote:<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border- >> left-color:rgb(204,204,204);bord >> >> ... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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