Craig, PS: but there do seem to be a lot of 1p perspective fanatics which amounts to pretty much the same thing.
Edgar On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:43:08 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:13:15 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Craig, >> >> Yes of course there can be motion or relations without an experience if >> you mean a human experience. >> > > No, I don't mean human experience. Not even biological experience, just > experiential phenomena. > > >> The only people who believe otherwise are a few comp and >> intersubjectivists who believe nothing happened in the whole universe >> before humans came along. >> > > I don't think that there are any many genuine solipsists or > anthropcentrists out there outside of religious fanatics, but the > accusation that there are such beliefs out there is very popular. I'm > talking about physics and ontology, it has nothing to do with biology or > Homo sapiens. > > Craig > > > >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:39:45 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> Can there be any motion or relation without an experience in which a >>> sense of motion or relation is literally encountered? >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:37:46 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Here's one more theory from my book on Reality: >>>> >>>> All forms of mass and energy are just different forms of relative >>>> motion. They actually have to be different forms of the same thing for >>>> there to be mass-energy conservation, and different forms of relative >>>> motion are what they are. >>>> >>>> Rest mass in this theory is just vibrational motion. It is relative >>>> motion, but since this relative motion is so spatially confined, it >>>> appears >>>> the same to all external observers. It is equally relative to all >>>> observers, thus it appears absolute in having the same value relative to >>>> all observers. Thus rest mass is the same to all observers, even though it >>>> is actually relative motion. >>>> >>>> This is somewhat similar to string theory's notion of particles as >>>> vibrating strings. But in my theory the vibration itself is not the >>>> particle and there is no need for extra dimensions. In my theory, the >>>> vibration takes place in ordinary 3D space and represents only the mass of >>>> the particle. Only in 3D space is it interconvertible to other 3D relative >>>> motions. >>>> >>>> [In my theory particles themselves are composed of their particle >>>> properties (not vibrating strings), one of which is mass-energy, but >>>> that's >>>> another part of the theory I won't get into in this post.] >>>> >>>> So in this theory the conversion of mass to energy is quite simple. >>>> It's just the conversion of the equivalent amount of vibrational motion >>>> into either the relative linear motion of kinetic energy and/or the >>>> relative wave motion of EM energy. >>>> >>>> This theory neatly conceptually unifies all forms of mass and energy, >>>> and the conversion of one form to another as simply the conversion of one >>>> form of relative motion to an equivalent amount of another. >>>> >>>> All other forms of energy neatly conform to this explanation including >>>> what we call potential energy which is really just an accounting trick. >>>> What we call potential energy is actually just some form of blocking (or >>>> impinging) energy from a system external to the system under >>>> consideration. >>>> To just analyze the system itself, we imagine a potential energy IN the >>>> system equivalent to the actual blocking energy outside the system. It >>>> just >>>> makes things easier to analyze. So potential energy is not a real form of >>>> energy, not a real relative motion, but an accounting trick to confine >>>> analysis to an isolated system when systems are not actually energetically >>>> isolated from their environments. >>>> >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
