On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:46 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 1/27/2014 2:32 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:09 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/27/2014 12:12 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >>> >>> So sure yeah, there's no limit to what you can do when you eliminate and >>> don't care about x. Louis C.K. had a good one: "Wow, I can't believe we >>> built the pyramids - yeah, we just threw human death and suffering at them >>> until they were built. There's no end to what we can achieve when we don't >>> give a sh*t how to get there..." Science that advances by eliminativism >>> comes with a price and some side-effects. >>> >>> >>> Just because there's a price doesn't mean you shouldn't pay it. We >>> eliminated the Egyptian gods, the divine Pharoh and their theology, so we >>> don't get pyramids anymore - and I'd call it progress. >>> >> >> Well Louis' bit finishes in the contemporary world with: "Wow, look at all >> this amazing customized digital technology we have", waving around an >> iphone, "that's because where they build these things, people are so >> miserable they have to deploy nets outside the factories to keep them from >> jumping off the effin roofs... >> >> >> There's a lot of young men and women concentrated in a small area. Given >> the numbers I don't think the suicide rate is higher than elsewhere. >> Universities in the U.S. also have high suicide rate. >> >> "At Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., there have been six confirmed >> suicides this academic year, including two on successive days last month. >> Last week, Cornell installed chain-link fencing along many of the bridges >> that cross the gorges on campus, serving both as deterrent and a physical >> reminder. >> >> According to a 2009 article in Professional Psychology, 6 percent of >> participating undergraduates and 4 percent of graduate students in four-year >> colleges said they had "seriously considered attempting suicide" in the past >> year--and nearly half of each group did not tell anyone." > > > Agreed and you make my point. > > The possible maturing from a critical naiveté, in terms of implications of > beliefs, their negation, naturalization through sustaining self-legitimizing > histories as falsely true (e.g. through creation and unquestioning beliefs > in institutional function, which includes exploiting factory floors, forcing > obedience in conventions through education systems, reliance on fossil > fuels, overemphasis on weapons manufacture etc.), that result in all our > "progress", can't keep up with the effects of an apparent efficacy, through > lucky metaphors/isomorphisms perhaps, of our prohibition style separation of > theology and science. > > The Pharaoh is now for example say: US law. Such monsters of ornate rules > and codes benefit whom? Right, it's ideal for PR exploiting Pharaohs that > can afford the army of slave lawyers to look after their pyramids on > Nantucket or wherever. > > I don't think we've ended imperialistic and massive slave-like treatment of > people, based on dominance theologies. We've just given them different > labels, and since the law is "atheistic" (just swear on the Bible for a > moment), its great to mask that we haven't changed in this regard much. > > We're also more vulnerable to PR manipulation, negating importance of > theology in science. Believing all kinds of crap because of a few idiots > being handed the mike or air time. See climate change.
PGC: good stuff! >> >> >> >> so that we can leave a grumpy comment on Youtube, while we're taking a >> sh*t". >> >> Sure, it's comedy. >> >> But it's not trivial in proclaiming "civilization" has not made the >> progress promised by "Science, liberalized from theology". I guess people >> think less about such problems as good and evil, fundamental science, >> philosophy, theology etc. and we may be materially richer for it, and >> technologically stronger, but perhaps ethically poorer and more naive about >> the limits our ignorance imposes, without which we will tend to use >> technology for savage and low stuff, simply because we lose the capacity to >> envision more appropriate beliefs in such complex contexts. >> >> Eliminate/negate belief, and pair just half of science (the how-techne >> bit, fundamentally laying aside "what" with belief implication) with what's >> left, our default opportunism, and Louis' joke is no surprise. It's also no >> surprise why many argue this way: it's simpler and clearer. >> >> Doesn't make it valid. I think we may be half blind in this sense. >> Children with access to the weapons shed. The ignoramus Greeks were onto >> this. PGC >> >> >> The Greeks also kept slaves, considered women inferior, and gave us the >> Spartans and Alexander the Great as well as Plato. > > > Nobody here is making the claim that the Greeks were saints or have answers > for us. But they did articulate the problem with the problem and question of > knowledge's limits. Plato, Plotinus to Gödel and co. have even made some > progress. PGC > >> >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
