Gabriel, See my long most recent response to Jason for an analysis of how this works and why this contradiction doesn't falsify Present moment P-time.....
Best, Edgar On Friday, January 3, 2014 10:31:59 AM UTC-5, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: > > (I'm expanding on the comment by Jason.) > > The "P-time" notion, if it means anything at all timelike, says that there > exists some uniquely correct ordering of events across space. > > Consider these events: Pam's 3rd birthday party and Sam's 4th birthday > party > > The "P-time" notion says that either (A) P3bp happens before S4bp, (B) > P3bp happens after S4bp, or (C) P3bp happens at the same time as S4bp. The > "P-time" notion, having not developed in a scientific manner, can't offer > any help in discovering which of A, B, or C is the case; it merely says it > is the case that, in principle, exactly one of A, B, or C is true. > > By contrast, the past century of physics concludes that A is true in some > reference frames, B is true in other reference frames, and C is true in > other other reference frames. It is NOT the case that, in principle, > exactly one of A, B, or C is true. > > So there's a direct contradiction. And "P-time" falls on the wrong side > of the contradiction according to a whole century's worth of experimental > work in physics. > > Furthermore, there is (scientific) theoretical work (c.f. > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121002145454.htm ) that > indicates that, by exploiting quantum behavior, we should be able to build > a superposition of one causal order and the reverse causal order between > two events in the same location. If that pans out empirically, then the > "P-time" notion won't even have the appearance of being a local > approximation to the truth. > > -Gabe > > On Thursday, January 2, 2014 5:19:52 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> Edgar, >> >> I realized there is another problem. It is not just that we don't what >> Sam is doing, but it seems the present moment P-time does not proceed in an >> orderly or logical manner. >> >> From Pam's point of view the event of her reaching Proxima Centauri >> happens *before *Sam's 4th birthday. But from Sam's point of view, Pam >> reaching Proxima Centauri happens *after *his 4th birthday! >> >> If there is a single, orderly proceeding, present moment, then I see no >> what whatever to reconcile the incompatibility of these views... >> >> Jason >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
