On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: > > Telmo wrote: > > "I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is > essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for > peaceful world with further increases in freedom)." > > Which Constitution? the one epoch-opening chef-d'oeuvre based on modernized > medieval ideas of those well educated smoking-duelling slave-owner male > chauvinist Forefathers, > who just did not want to pay taxes to the King of England, or the later > "amended" versions of the same obsolete construct making it into a > gun-toting killer - corrupt, faith-ruled money-monger (with SOME exceptions, > thank you). > > I join you in admiring the original one - as a relic, an innovation > historical masterpiece FOR THE 18th CENTURY. Not for the 21st. > My admiration stopped short when I realized the outcome: > a 'special-interest money'-ruled anti-democratic conglomerate, governing a > so called government into committing crimes (international and domestic) > originally excluded > from it's 'modus (regulatio) vivendi'. > > How can you imagine a 'peaceful' world with capitalistic (I call it: > econo-feudalistic) principles, imperialistic (oil?) wars and forcing own > interest on other countries? (Not to > mention the availability of all level governance for enough money). > > > > Gödel pretended that the US constitution was inconsistent and refused to > sign it.
You mean "pretended" in the French sense right? As in Gödel claimed that... > Einstein intervened and succeeded in changing Gödel's mind (about > not signing it to get the "green card" or the nationality). > Einstein asked Gödel if the US constitution could prevent something like a > Nazy party to take power, like in Germany, and Gödel said that it could! Provided it is followed, of course. I don't think the Weimar constitution was ever repealed during the third reich. It was simply ignored... > I don't think capitalism is the problem, but financial lobbying and > corporatism; + lies, can pervert completely a democracy. I completely agree. We might only differ in that you are more optimistic on the possibility of preventing financial lobbying using rules, while I suspect that the only solution is to decentralise power so completely that there is not target to lobby. > The deeper problem relies in the fact that most humans are unwilling to > think by themselves, and they confuse "p -> q" and "q -> p" all the times. > The (human, but not only) sciences are still driven by the appeal to > authority. We have never been "modern". I'm happy to read this. I thought this confusion was a central problem in society for a long time, without being an expert in logic. Telmo. > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
