Hi Bruno Marchal Anything that the brain does is or could be experience. For computers, experience can only be simulated because
experience = self + qualia Roger Clough, [email protected] 10/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-24, 07:37:32 Subject: Re: Solipsism = 1p On 23 Oct 2012, at 15:11, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > > > >> >> ROGER: OK, but computers can't experience anything, >> it would be simulated experience. Not arbitrarily available. > > > But that's what the brain does, simulate experience from the point of > view of the owner or liver of the experience. According to some > theory. You can't talk like if you knew that this is false. > > ROGER: Simulated experience would be objective, such > as is given by the text of a novel (knowledge by description). True > experience is the subjective experience of the mind --knowledge > by aquaintance. These are obviously substantially different. The term silulated experience is ambiguous, and I should not have use. I wiuld say that by definition of comp, simulated experience = experience. > > BRUNO: You are right, it is not the material computer who thinks, > nor the > physical brains who thinks, it is the owner (temporarily) of the > brain, or of the computers which does the thinking (and that can > include a computer itself, if you let it develop beliefs). > > ROGER: I don't think so. > > The owner of the brain is the self. > > But although the owner of a computer will have a > self, so would anybody else involved in creating > the computer or software also have one. > > Are trying to say that I or anybody else can cause > the computer to be conscious ? No. Only the computer, or a similar one. Actually *all* similar one existing in arithmetic, in their relative ways. > If wave collapse causes > consciousness, there are objective theories of wave collapse > called decoherence theories which seem more realistic to me. Decoherence needs MWI to work. > > But I can't seem to see how these could work on a computer. Right. the idea that consciousness cause the collapse of the wave (an idea which already refutes special relativity) is inconsistent with comp. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
