Hi Craig Weinberg OK that's the classic example of the pin prick and feeling pain.
It works for the worlds of apples and oranges if you accept Hume's and Leibniz's theory of causation, or at least my understanding of it, namely that changes in the mental world are simply synchronized with changes in the physical world and vice versa. Given that, to see if an action is "caused" either by mental or physical powers you simply look at the near-future mental or physical situation. Monads allow you to do that. In that future state both the mental and physical situations will have changed. And anything changed can be considered as being caused. That's the principle of sufficient reason. Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-21, 13:03:13 Subject: Re: Mind and brain as apples and oranges On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:48:34 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King and all The problems imagined by materialists in invoking dualism are just that - imaginary-- as long as mind is unextended and brain is extended. And the so-called "hard problem" of consciousness and the cartesian problem of interfacing or superimposing mind and brain simply vanish. They're apples and oranges. They exist in different universes, which can superimpose, the extended or physical "floating" in a sea of inextended or nonphysical mind, or to use a better word, life. But if I drink coffee (from the apples universe of extended stuff) then I get amped (in the oranges universe if unextended mind). Why does that problem disappear? Craig Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/21/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-21, 11:04:59 Subject: Re: Numbers in Space On 9/21/2012 4:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> But the numbers build an "arithmetic body" > > The numbers arithmetically dream of a non arithmetic body. > > >> and then populate a space with multiple copies of it... so that they >> can "implement" the UD. > > No, they are implemented by the UD, which exists like prime numbers > exists. Primitively. So the dreams "exists like prime numbers exists. Primitively. " and the dreams are of "a non arithmetic body", thus "a non arithmetic body" exists primitively. How is this different from anything that I have tried to tell you of my ideas? We agree!!!!!! This is "dual aspect" monism! I used to call it process dualism, but realized that that working caused too much confusion. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/9zG-L5QYkuMJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
