On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 9:59 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
*>>> You must know that is meant by someone's will.* >> >> >> *>> I know that just like everything else, someone's will is the way it >> is for a reason and is therefore deterministic OR is the way it is for no >> reason and is therefore random. * > > *> So you don't believe there's any distinction between a coerced choice > and a non-coerced choice of action.* > *A**s far as free will is concerned I don't believe there is a difference between coerced and caused, if you disagree then you are required to say exactly what that difference is and do so without mentioning "free will" because infinite loops are of not much use to anybody. At the end of the day **you did what you did for a reason and was therefore deterministic OR you did what you did for no reason and was therefore random. * *And that's not all, the thing/person coerced/caused for a reason and was therefore deterministic OR it coerced/caused for a no reason and therefore he/she/it was random. * > *>> What is the definition of coerce? To compel. What is the definition of >> compel? To coerce. And round and round we go. * > > *> So you don't know the meaning of coerce...to bad you missed that in > school. * > *Long** before I was old enough to go to school I noticed that whenever I did something that somebody thought was strange I was always asked the same question: why did you do that? If I was unable to give a satisfactory answer to that question** my actions were condemned because they were un-reasonable. And today I think it's un-reasonable to expect that a dictionary or my third grade English teacher provided all the information necessary to solve profound philosophical questions. * > * > Since email is communication in words and you're willing to lie about > knowing what they mean* > *Unlike you, although I may have accused somebody of being inconsistent, I have never claimed my debate opponent didn't mean what they said. If that was the only retort I could think of I would prefer to abandon my previous position, adopt my opponent's position and make it my own. That's why I enjoy online debating, it helps me sharpen my thinking. And I have absolutely no loyalty to ideas, so if your argument is better than my argument then your argument is my new argument. This strategy makes things far more enjoyable because trying to defend an untenable position is no fun at all. * *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* nlm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv15TQQY4G7Q0rhz22BJmQhDzVashhyQVxsCZ5fna%3D%3DoWQ%40mail.gmail.com.
