On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 4:53 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:

* >> If the electric, magnetic, gravitational, or any other type of field
>> was precisely zero then you would know exactly what the energy density was
>> in any arbitrarily short amount of time, zero. And quantum mechanics says
>> that is impossible. *
>
>
> *> No, QM says that if you measure the field there is an uncertainty
> relation between the energy and duration measured values.   Measure also
> refers to interactions that imply values.*
>

*If you place two macroscopic conductive plates close to each other the
Casimir Effect will cause the two plates to attract each other; this occurs
regardless of if you make any measurements or not. It happens because there
are fewer virtual particles between the two plates than there are outside
the plates. And virtual particles exist because it's impossible for the
energy in the electromagnetic field to be exactly zero for any arbitrary
length of time; and the shorter the time the greater the deviation from
zero it's likely to be.  *

   *John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*

hjd

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