I am not buying these figures on unknown say so. Sounds like BS. Just whose EVs and whose batteries? Which models? A thousand unanswered intelligent questions need answering.
On the other hand I have not seen anything about the carbon footprint of EV production. That goes both ways too, and is pretty speculative. Tech gets better, more mines come into service. Supply chains improve. Production matures. On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 7:52 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/10/striking-uaw-workers-win-key-battery- > plant-concession-from-general-motors/ > <https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/10/striking-uaw-workers-win-key-battery-plant-concession-from-general-motors/> > > or https://v.gd/j0sNGM > > "In a report published on Friday, Heatmap found that once battery-cell > production is taken into account, EVs may well require more workers > [hours] > than vehicles with internal combustion engines ...The conventional [ICEV] > powertrains took 4 to 11 worker hours, while the EV powertrains took 15 to > 24 ... '" > > It seems that the autoworkers' unions are concerned about job losses > building EVs - which might indeed happen. The argument this article > makes > is that IF you build cells and batteries in the US with union autoworkers, > there will be MORE labor hours in the EVs than in the ICEVs. > > Don't get me wrong; I'm good with autoworkers keeping their jobs. It's > just > that this runs counter to what I've read about EVs for over 50 years. EVs > are massively simpler than ICEVs, with fewer precision moving parts. Does > battery production cancel all that out? Are cell and battery > manufacturing > not automated? > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > When I was born, I was black. When I grow up, I'm black. When I'm ill, > I'm black. When I die, I'm black. But you - when you're born, you're > pink. When you grow up, you're white. When you're ill, you're green. > When you go out in the sun, you go red. When you're cold, you go > blue. > When you die, you're purple. And you have the nerve to call me > colored? > > -- Malcolm X > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195856737> Land (919) 901-2805 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19199012805>Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195760824> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231017/e1cdbc2b/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
