On 30 Apr 2023 at 22:12, Tom Hudson via EV wrote: > The legacy ICE manufacturers are true dinosaurs and will be a textbook > example of how companies with no vision will be extinct.
Yep. They seem to be repeating the same nearly-fatal errors that they made with efficient ICEVs in the 1960s and 1970s. Their short-sightedness let Japanese automakers gain a solid foothold in the US. The big three have never been the same. As with high-MPG ICEVs back then, the principal - and profitable - markets for EVs had long been Asia (then Japan, now China) and Western Europe. Then OPEC turned off the oil taps, and auto dealers' lots clogged up with row after row of dusty 13 mpg behemoths that no one wanted. Who could have foreseen it? :-\ The US automakers may again be caught flat-footed by affordable imported EVs, as they were by Datsun 1200 and Toyota Corolla ICEVs back then. But US politics are moving in different directions now, so it's possible that we'll see more anti-EV state and federal government action to protect the old-guard automakers. Already some US states punish and discourage EV owners with high taxes and fees. Canny automakers, old and new, are already directing their EV production to Western Europe and China. The US will get the big, old, fully-amortized, obsolete, inefficient ICEVs that the automakers can't sell elsewhere. If Tesla is smart, they'll move all their manufacturing, if not their management, to cheap-labor Asian and European nations such as China and Hungary. That will further reduce their costs and put them closer to their future main markets. On 1 May 2023 at 4:42, Steves via EV wrote: > I also do not like the personality of Musk, but I do admire the > trajectory of Tesla. I guess need to separate the two entities in my > mind. It may be the only way forward for EVs or even the sedan. It's probably too radical a step for most EV list folks, but one way to get more EV choice and future progress is to give up on the US and move to Europe. :-) David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
