Luckily you can sign into the Tesla app and start your car to get out of
that situation.  Never leave the fob in/near the car, at the very least
it's causing the fob battery to drain and the car to stay "awake".   (They
constantly transmit back and forth)

In fact, I recommend you keep your fobs in a sealed metal box well away
from your car and/or front door of your house.  It's pretty trivial to
steal a Tesla by having 2 people equipped with bluetooth "range extenders",
one near the fob, and the other near the car.  Then they are gone in less
than 60 seconds.   They also know how to disconnect the cell antennas in
the car so you can't track it later.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 9:28 AM paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I got in my own Tesla without my key fob one day and drove off. It let me
> go where I was going but wouldn’t start when I decided to go home. The key
> fob was on the bench in the garage.
>
>
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> On Saturday, March 11, 2023, 11:24 AM, (-Phil-) via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> The most likely explanation was he left a fob in the car.  (On Model 3 the
> fob is optional, but works so much better than the phone, a lot of people
> get one)  Sounds like he was driving his "wife's" car, so that seems even
> more probable.
>
> The only other way is if both guys had their phone or fob within bluetooth
> range of VCSEC (Vehicle security controller) or one of the 4 Bluetooth
> endpoints around the car.  In theory if both guys walked up to 2 cars next
> to each other, they both could get into each-others cars and drive off, no
> problem.
>
> I've done a lot of analysis of VCSEC, and I even now know how to program a
> new key into one where all keys are lost, and it's pretty well thought
> out.  This same system is used on 3, Y, and 2021+ Model S and X.
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 7:12 AM Willie via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 3/11/23 06:21, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> > > I wonder if these were two colleagues that got their company vehicles
> > > and accidentally received the wrong Tesla account for their App, so
> > > that while the keys worked on their own car, their Apps worked on each
> > > other's cars... Simple and not surprising, but you can get a lot of
> > > attention writing a critical article about Tesla these days.
> > > NOTE how the guy continued to use the other guy's car instead of
> > > returning it immediately, that suggests that they were no strangers.
> > > Also the other guy contacting him with a laid-back response asking if
> > > he took their car, gives me the idea that they already knew each other
> > > before all this.
> > > There are some question marks surrounding this article.
> >
> > I believe you are likely correct, Cor.
> >
> > Considering the source, I did not pay much attention to the details.
> > But, you are correct in that Tesla owners can give online access to
> > their cars via multiple "driver" assignments.  It used to be pretty
> > tedious for owners to give such privileges. Action from a human at Tesla
> > was required.  But, Tesla responds to customer suggestions and now
> > assigning up to five drivers for each car can easily be done online and
> > without human intervention.  The alternate drivers receive app access
> > only to the cars for which they have been authorized and through their
> > own Tesla app.
> >
> > The following are suggestions for media topics that are not bias as was
> > this one under discussion.
> >
> > 1) FLASH!  Tesla responds to customer suggestions by making it easy and
> > fast to assign car access to alternate drivers.
> >
> > 2) FLASH!  Both owners and assigned drivers now have more routing
> > information available through the Tesla apps.  Previous, remote viewers
> > of a car's locations did not know the target destination or locations of
> > nearby charging opportunities.  With a software update, both those
> > information items are now available through the app.
> >
> > 3)  FLASH!  Tesla drivers making use of FSD have about 1/10 the
> > probability of being involved in a traffic accident compared to drivers
> > of other cars and compared also to Tesla drivers that chose not to use
> FSD.
> >
> > There is a wealth of good Tesla news, continuously flowing,  that can be
> > honestly reported.  The only reason for pervasively negative Tesla media
> > coverage, I believe, is that no advertising dollars are flowing from
> > Tesla.  Yet, we see little other than Tesla negative news.
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