Hi Folks,
I was heading up rt81 freeway from Roanoke VA to Harrisonburg yesterday in my Tesla Y to get flushed away at the Massanutten H20 Park and an hour into the trip the self driving or "auto pilot" jerked the steering wheel into the left lane & I jerked it back (luckily between cars). I thought using self driving was safe on straight highways, "what could possibly go wrong?". Then about a 1/2 hour later (just using the cruise control), it hit the brakes and I hit the accelerator (almost got rear ended). My son said "dad, why don't you just drive the car and forget about the self driving nonsense". Words of wisdom. Elon should just keep making a nice EV and forget the fluffy stuff that causes problems. The fundemantal "fatal flaw" is self driving needs at least 3 computers to "vote" and kick out the one that gets a glitch (cosmic rays, brain farts etc). All the cars attempting this foolishness are using only *one* microcomputer. Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 17:17:42 -0400 From: Michael Ross <michael.e.r...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla can't see kids? Message-ID: <CANNQeoKn9+6tFH-H6YoOXwnzd2BWHa6xJc40j=a=za7+r+8...@mail.gmail.com <mailto:CANNQeoKn9+6tFH-H6YoOXwnzd2BWHa6xJc40j=a=za7+r+8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As Musk likes to say, "the possibility of success exists." I imagine FSD can be many times safer than human drivers. But, for some reason we will always be harsher in our view of machine mistakes than our own. If FSD was 10 times less likely to cause a fatality in all situations (could be that expressway success is super good), it would be logical to go with it, even if it fails sometimes with the corner cases - that even humans fail at often. But, I doubt it would be accepted. In the US the deep pockets of Tesla would be too much of a temptation for lawyers in the liability business. How about this: put little warning buzzers in us all to shock us into alertness when we move towards danger? Oh yeah, that is the amygdala, it has some bad results unrelated to actual danger. On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 5:04 PM Peter Eckhoff via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > They all have this problem in one way or another. The Bolt I owned > never saw a pedestrian except once in a Blue Moon but that was about > two years ago or so. I drive a Tesla and see some of the problems > they are talking about with regard to pedestrians. Tesla is not 100% > at all. > > Personally, I don't see FSD coming to any EV especially for all > environments. There are too many niche and standard cases that have > to have to be considered in fractions of a second. From the > inattentive pedestrian, kid coming out from behind a parked car, > aggressive walker, etc. No software can read a person's mind and > intentions. We, as humans, have a hard time guessing what a person > might do. > > "Driving is too important to leave it up to self driving systems by > themselves." and I think that's the bottom line. You have to make the > driver aware of situations but not take over and be a "be all" for > everything. I hope Tesla is finally learning that lesson. I'm not > sure fi Mr. Musk will ever capitulate. I hope he does. > > > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 4:27 PM EV List Lackey via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org <mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > > wrote: > > > > I used to worry about what it would do to EVs' reputation if someday > > an unisolated or defective charger electrocuted a kid touching the EV. > This is > > potentially almost as destructive. If further research confirms > > this > flaw, > > Tesla has a lot of work to do, and fast. > > > > ----- > > > > Tesla?s self-driving technology fails to detect children in the > > road, > tests > > find > > > > Professional test driver using Tesla?s Full Self-Driving mode > > repeatedly > hit > > a child-sized mannequin in its path > > > > In several tests, a professional test driver found that the [FSD > > beta] software - released in June - failed to detect the child-sized > > figure at > an > > average speed of 25mph and the car then hit the mannequin. [...] > > > > At the company?s shareholder meeting earlier this month Musk said > > that > Full > > Self-Driving has greatly improved, and he expected to make the > > software available by the end of the year to all owners [who] > > request it. But questions about its safety continue to mount. > > > > In June, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) > > said > it > > was expanding an investigation into 830,000 Tesla cars across all > > four current model lines ... A second NHTSA investigation is also > > under way to determine if the removal of the forward-looking radar > > sensor on some > newer > > Teslas is causing the vehicles to apply their brakes for no reason, > which is > > called "phantom braking" and can lead to wrecks. [...] > > > > Full story: > > > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/09/tesla-self-drivin > > g- > > technology-safety-children > > > > Shortcut URL: > > > > https://v.gd/y6Bos3 > > > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey Have a renewable energy day, Mark Mark E. 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