To be sure (as Willie so often reminds us in many LEAF threads), Nissan's 2011 model LEAF had some battery issues for some users especially in hot climates, and their lack of support on that issue has been worthy of criticism.

But to claim the LEAF was immediately "abandoned" as a product would be a stretch as Nissan has added features, changed the battery tech and increased the range over successive model years.

"Idiosyncrasies and workarounds" is a subjective judgement that could be leveled at any car I've ever driven. We all might feel we could do better than the car companies in a variety of ways. For example, the Tesla Model 3 lacks a common dashboard and forces the driver's eye to the central display - good idea or poor design? You decide.

Cheers,
 -Jamie


On 5/19/22 8:17 AM, Willie via EV wrote:

On 5/19/22 09:33, Jay Summet via EV wrote:


On 5/19/22 01:00, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
There's no way (at least that I'm aware of) to override [the charge timer]. It's plain idiotic.


On my 2015 leaf, there is a dash button "Charge Timer Off" (it's an icon with a sorta clock and plug with the word "Off"). If you want to charge manually, you plug in the car, and THEN push that button, and it will charge normally that one time.

It is annoying in that you can't press it when getting out of the car...you have to go around to the front, plug in (the three top of dash lights will light up in a "follow" pattern one by one to indicate that the chaging timer is active) and then you have to open the driver door again to push the button, at which point you'll hear the clicks of the battery contactors engaging and the charging lights will go into their normally "charging in progress" mode.

An observation:


These idiosyncrasies and work arounds due to poor design on Leafs would be entirely forgivable had Nissan been committed to customer support and making incremental improvements.  Instead, Nissan mostly abandoned the Leaf and forced early adopters to sue for relief from the poor battery design.  On the plus side, this group of converters has greatly benefited from the cheap used battery supply due to the low value of used Leafs.

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