Seems like a Cybertruck meets all of your requirements (assuming Tesla delivers on it as advertised)
Although it's not a van, I'll bet someone comes up with something like a camper shell for it. > Easiest to reiterate my case. I want a high clearance vehicle for forest > service roads. Also need a lot of range since there's no opportunity to > charge, in some cases, for nearly the entire round trip which can be > over 200 miles. In addition, if I do another real estate investment soon > (likely) I'll need a "construction" van. > > Gary, your van could work for construction. But it doesn't meet the long > range or high clearance part (or driving on freeways). So, I would need > a second vehicle with those attributes plus enough room to carry 4 > people and 4 large backpacks and a bit of other stuff. That would be two > fairly large vehicles. > > However, I'd like to move to owning one car, rather than two. If I do > that, my car needs to meet all these requirements. (And, no, I can't > rent a vehicle each time I go hiking or to other activities in the > mountains. Rental companies don't allow that use, plus it's a lot of > overhead for an already very long day.) > > I agree with the principle of buying a car that fits most of your needs > and finding something else for the few times it doesn't ... if that > works. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <info.zwhe...@gmail.com> > Sent: 17-Jun-20 2:57:30 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project > >> One of the problems is that people expect one vehicle to be able to do >> everything (except be fuel efficient). That's why we have so many huge >> SUV's - 4x4 in case it's needed, tow capacity just in case, 7 passengers >> just in case, and we've created monsters that have made it unsafe to drive >> small vehicles. The new idea is right-sized vehicles, last-mile vehicles >> and mobility as a service. All the big guys are putting out electric vans >> that can do the big stuff but are way overkill for the majority of around >> town deliveries and will be very expensive. This little van is supposed to >> fill the space inbetween. "Better is the enemy of good enough". Not for >> everybody but it will suit many (we hope). >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >>> I think you are dreaming. Who makes a pickup that will tow 25k? I think >>> only a few of them will tow 18K and you won’t buy one for under $40k. >>> >>> The cyber truck advertised 14k towing. Not bad for the price. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:26 AM, George Mullineaux via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It appears that I lit a match under a powder keg of frustration. Is >>> anyone in this group connected to Tesla in any way? I attempted to get a >>> message to Elon Musk a couple of years ago when the idea of his truck was >>> gaining ground. I was so disappointed at the unveiling, because the >>> Cybertruck missed my needs by a country mile. We need a truck that is >>> powerful, capable and affordable. Instead he shows us a truck that is >>> bullet-proof, Porsche-fast and a little on the high-priced side. Is there >>> any way to communicate with these automakers? Ford teased us with a video >>> of an EV prototype F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds. That is over-kill, but it >>> at least shows the possibilities. Produce an EV pick-up that can haul >>> construction materials and tow somewhere between 18K and 25K pounds with >>> about 150-200 miles of range and I believe it would sell. I guess we are >>> asking too much! >>>> >>>> George Mullineaux >>>> 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator >>> via EV >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 09:12 >>>> To: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List < >>> ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>> Cc: EVDL Administrator <evp...@drmm.net> >>>> Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project >>>> >>>>> On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best >>>>> chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do >>>>> what is rumored, ... >>>> >>>> Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US. From my admittedly casual >>> exposure, It seems quite different in Europe. I don't know that I'd say >>> they're any less likely to develop a substantial hauler than the other two. >>>> >>>> Whether it and anything else that the other major automakers develop >>> shows up in the US is, IMO, a bigger question mark. Much of their EV >>> effort is focused on the EU and Asia these days. Those are the places that >>> are REQUIRING EVs, and offering significant incentives for them. And that >>> is where EVs are selling. 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