I saw the email address in your original post. - Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 18, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:59:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Pinellas County buses > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > [email protected] gave permission. So I hope David didn't get to official > and deleted it. Did any one have trouble contacting Susan? Lawrence Rhodes. > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:42:48 -0500 (CDT) > From: evln <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [EVDL] e-Buses vs he-Buses for PSTA Pinellas_County-FL bus > ??? routes > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hybrid-buses-instead-of-electric-for-PSTA-in-Pinellas-County-Evidence-for-commissioners-tp4697767.html > ... Evidence for commissioners' decisions ... > ] > > As was posted, several points have not been provided. > As Susan's email address was blocked by the evdl, a search > https://www.google.com/search?q=Susan+Glickman+cleanenergy.org > gives: susan @cleanenergy.org > But, I ask Lawrence forward this post's url to her as he knows her actual > email address. > > > -Looking at a Pinellas_County-FL map > https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pinellas+County,+FL/ > shows the county is east of Tampa-FL > > -A psta bus route map > https://www.psta.net/media/4148/psta-map-spring-2019.pdf > shows buses go all over the county > > -A Pinellas County topographic map > https://en-au.topographic-map.com/maps/sx2f/Pinellas-County/ > shows the region is fairly flat with a highest natural point of 110 feet > (34 m from sea-level). Thus, an e-bus should have no issues climbing any of > their mild hills on any route. > > -psta had created a 2015 report on e-bus vs he-bus replacements > https://psta.net/media/1136/replacement-bus-purchase-analysis-part-2.pdf > > -A cost search > https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+buses+cost+vs+hybrid > has several hits/links to explore. Many state overall, a he-bus will cost > more in the long run than an e-bus. > > I have responded to many of these inquiries in my 30 years of free-efforts > to promote Electric transportation. Today, many people are much more open to > the idea of change to e-buses for clean air, and lower mantenance costs. But > if Susan has hard-headed pro-ice(engine)-bus people on the commission, > another point to look at is the type of chemical fuel buses can use (diesel, > bio-diesel, cng, natural-gas, e-85, etc.) > > That county does not have access to h2, bio-diesel, But does have e85 access > https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=E85&location=largo,%20fl > e85 is cleaner than gasoline, but like cng has less energy density (you use > more of it per mile to go the same dstance). > > A cost comparision between staying with diesel vs switching to cng > https://www.google.com/search?q=cng+vs+diesel > Diesel ice can be converted to run on cng. But it is best to do this on a > bus with a newer ice. cng is so clean, after running on cng, the old ice is > cleaned internally so the ice begins to burn oil (the gunk between the > cylinder and piston is cleaned out and ice oil sweeps in). > > FL has cng(compressed natural gas) laws already > https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/laws/NG?state=FL > > The county has only 1 cng refueling site > https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=CNG&location=largo,%20fl > The cost of another cng station would have to be incurred to meet the needs > of the cng he-bus routes. > > https://www.google.com/search?q=cng+hybrid+bus > shows other regions/counties have tried using cng he-buses. > > After reading through these, my conclusion is: in the long run, it is better > to not stay with diesel ice buses, nor incur the ice-maintenance costs of > he-buses, but just begin a-new/a-fresh by buying today's better e-buses, and > installing a quick recharging station(s) at key bus-route stop location(s). > > > > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: > http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html > > > {brucedp.neocities.org} > > -- > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:58:25 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [EVDL] Cheapest car on Alibaba. $900 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > https://youtu.be/P0_brepbNm4 Three videos. Two more should be associated with > this link. 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