Someone started a Nextdoor group called SF Electric Cars. https://nextdoor.com/g/39c8lio2s/ Lawrence Rhodes
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 1:08:47 PM PDT, <[email protected]> wrote: Send EV mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of EV digest..." Also, please be careful not to append the entire digest to your reply. Many mail systems do this by default. Trim or delete the digest text from the bottom of your message, and quote only the parts to which you're replying. Today's Topics: 1. Re: 3people rescued from inside after EV power failure (Lawrence Rhodes) 2. Re: FW: EnergyObserver's First Transatlantic Passage a Complete Success ... (Jan Steinman) 3. Re: 3people rescued from inside after EV power failure (Jay Summet) 4. Alameda folds> CA-Tesla champions reopening, TX-gov talks move + (evln) 5. Tesla-3 app locks EV-jacker inside =citizen's-arrest (evln) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:43:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3people rescued from inside after EV power failure Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The whole story is not being told. 12v battery failure? Not enough knowledge of door handles and manual locks? Lawrence Rhodes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200513/ad33a1a5/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 13:42:28 -0400 From: Jay Summet <[email protected]> To: Lawrence Rhodes via EV <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3people rescued from inside after EV power failure Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I know Tesla's have a button that is normally used to open the door, but if power is removed you have to use a (different) manual actuator. In some of their designs it's not terribly obvious where to pull if the button doesn't work, so if somebody skipped that part of the manual they can get into trouble... But that story was terribly lite on details.... Jay On 5/13/20 12:43 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > The whole story is not being told. 12v battery failure? Not enough knowledge >of door handles and manual locks? Lawrence Rhodes > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200513/2eabd1ca/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:29:09 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] Alameda folds> CA-Tesla champions reopening, TX-gov talks move + Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://meaww.com/elon-musk-victory-california-tesla-plant-reopen-safety-guidelines Elon Musk emerges winner in reopening standoff as California allows Tesla plant to run with safety guidelines May 13, 2020 ... Alameda County officials gave in to his demands and allowed Tesla to reopen its Fremont assembly plant as long as it adhered to certain safety guidelines ... The company is now looking to ramp up production of its electric vehicles and batteries despite a statewide coronavirus lockdown ... ... https://gizmodo.com/california-officials-pretend-they-agreed-to-let-tesla-f-1843438836 California Officials Pretend They 'Agreed' to Let Tesla Factory Reopen May 13, 2020 ... Elon Musk wasn?t asking for permission ... Tesla CEO told the California government to eat shit. He was reopening his factory ... Musk was holding all the cards ... ... https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-pushes-to-reopen-tesla-in-california-and-keep-up-with-detroit-11589393592 Elon Musk Pushes to Reopen Tesla in California and Keep Up With Detroit 2020-05-13 ... With Michigan auto companies coming back next week, the electric-vehicle maker faced a home-state disadvantage ... https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/national/elon-musk-becomes-champion-of-defying-virus-stay-home-orders/ Musk becomes champion for businesses defying shutdown orders May 12, 2020 Array, Associated Press [image https://www.abc27.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/55/2020/05/3bcf682ce3b34cfd843ee3d0daca5c21.jpg?w=960&h=540&crop=1 Tesla Electric Car Plant Vehicles are seen parked at the Tesla car plant Monday, May 11, 2020, in Fremont, Calif. The parking lot was nearly full at Tesla?s California electric car factory Monday, an indication that the company could be resuming production in defiance of an order from county health authorities. (AP Photo/Ben Margot) ] At the Fit4All Gym in Lebanon, Illinois, owner David Tate considers Elon Musk a huge ally in the fight against government coronavirus orders that Tate says are driving him into the poorhouse. Tate reopened his 250-member gym in defiance of state orders on Monday, the same day Musk restarted his huge San Francisco Bay Area factory despite being told not to by the county Health Department. Like other business owners hit hard by coronavirus shutdown orders, Tate says Musk is a leader in the growing movement to reopen in the face of government orders, giving smaller businesses a boost and letting them know they?re not in the fight alone. ?We needed somebody with a voice as big as his to step up and say what he did,? Tate said. Musk, with 34 million Twitter followers, has openly defied an order from the Alameda County Health Department to conduct only minimum operations at the plant in Fremont, California, that normally employs 10,000 people. On Twitter he has made derisive comments about the county?s top health official. He has called the stay-home restrictions ?fascist? and said they rob people of freedom. While Musk is getting support on social media from his devoted followers and even President Donald Trump, his actions might cost him in the long run. Many who buy his expensive electric vehicles do so because they tilt to the left politically and want to make a statement about protecting the environment. And they have criticized Musk in the past when he?s allied too closely with Trump. For instance, early in Trump?s term, Musk got pushback for serving on two of the president?s business advisory councils. He stepped down after Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Paris climate accord. Still, Musk is admired by business owners who think the government shouldn?t be telling them to stay closed if they?re willing to take precautions to reopen safely. That includes Mike Jellison, who reopened his gym in Arlington, Washington, on Monday, even though it violated state restrictions. ?I have been reading what he has been saying on Twitter, and it sounds like he is taking all the right precautions,? Jellison said of Musk. Public health experts say shutting down businesses and orders that keep people at home have worked in limiting the virus? spread and helping to keep many hospital systems from being overwhelmed. The coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms for most people, but it has claimed more than 80,000 lives in the U.S. alone. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation?s top infectious disease expert, warned bluntly Tuesday of suffering, death and deeper economic damage if state and local officials lift stay-at-home orders too quickly. ?My concern is we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks,? he told senators at a hearing. ?The consequences could be really serious.? In fact, he said opening too soon would cause ?some suffering and death that could be avoided, but could even set you back on the road to try to get economic recovery.? To make the decision even more difficult, there isn?t a one-size-fits all approach, said George Rutherford, an epidemiology professor at the University of California, San Francisco. ?It?s like on one of those calculus problems where you have two equations with three unknowns,? he said. Although he doesn?t condone what Musk is doing, Rutherford conceded it?s possible that Tesla?s factory could restart without endangering workers. ?You would have to see the layout of the plant to really know,? he said. ?If this were a meat processing plant, you would say no way they should be going to work. It?s not as clear here.? Musk?s fans, who admire how he?s shaken up the auto business and launched rockets into space, will love how he resisted authorities, said Erik Gordon, a business and law professor at the University of Michigan. Electric car buyers who aren?t necessarily Musk disciples, however, won?t have the same opinion. ?They are more in favor of safety and more in favor of protecting workers,? Gordon said. ?The crowd that sees ultra-wealthy techno-elite CEOs as a menace to society will hate it.? Within California, where Tesla was born, Musk has had a long history and in some ways personifies the Silicon Valley ethos of innovation, starting with electric car designs and later moving into building rocket ships with his company SpaceX. When he opened the Fremont plant in 2010 at a recently shuttered factory that was jointly run by General Motors and Toyota, Musk was embraced with open arms by another California legend, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. The relationship has been fruitful for Tesla, netting Musk hundreds of millions in subsidies, including nine years of sales tax exemptions totaling nearly $250 million. Gov. Gavin Newsom, a former San Francisco mayor, said Monday he has a long relationship with Musk, noting that the state has ?substantively supported? Tesla for many years. He anticipated the relationship would continue. But Tesla?s reopening flies in the face of Newsom?s statewide order, which allows counties to begin reopening if they meet benchmarks including testing capacity, hospitalizations and contact tracing. Alameda County is behind on several, including completing fewer than 30 tests per day per 100,000 people; Newsom?s order requires counties to hit 200 tests per day. There are more than 2,100 cases in Alameda County and 74 deaths, putting the county?s infection rate at nearly 130 cases per 100,000 population ? lower than California?s average, but higher than several other Bay Area counties. Tesla?s factory reopened Monday with Musk practically daring local authorities to arrest him. The plant apparently continued operations on Tuesday. The company met a Monday deadline to submit a site-specific plan to protect worker safety, which Alameda County?s Public Health Department is reviewing, said county spokeswoman Neetu Balram. The department has deemed the factory a nonessential business that can?t fully open under virus restrictions. The Fremont plant had been closed since March 23. Alameda County was among six Bay Area counties that were the first in the nation to impose stay-at-home orders in mid-March. Newsom has repeatedly said counties can impose restrictions that are more stringent than state orders. The Bay Area order, which Tesla has sued to overturn, has been extended until the end of the month. But counties plan to allow some limited business and manufacturing starting May 18, the same day Detroit automakers plan to reopen auto assembly plants. Some auto parts plants were to restart production this week. The Detroit automakers? 150,000 U.S. workers are represented by the United Auto Workers union, which has sought added safety precautions. Tesla?s workers do not have a union. Tesla says it has a plan to maintain worker safety, including the wearing of gloves and masks, barriers between workers and maintaining social distancing. It also will do temperature checks at selected sites, the plan said. [abc27.com] https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-texas-governor-talk-potential-015112227.html Musk, Texas governor talk about potential Tesla move to Lone Star state May 12, 2020 AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - Texas Governor Greg Abbott said on Tuesday that he spoke with Elon Musk ... in recent days about a potential move of the company's electric vehicle assembly plant to the Lone Star state ... he thinks Texas is a perfect fit for Tesla ... 'Musk is genuinely interested in Texas and genuinely frustrated with CA' ... Hidalgo-TX County ... have never been under any orders to close ... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tesla-trump/trump-wants-california-to-let-automaker-tesla-reopen-assembly-plant-idUSKBN22O212 Trump wants California to let automaker Tesla reopen ... May 12, 2020 ... be allowed to reopen its electric vehicle assembly plant in California, joining CEO Elon Musk's bid to defy county officials who have ordered it to remain ... https://electrek.co/2020/05/12/gm-ev-chief-there-are-no-delays-in-our-evs-due-to-the-pandemic/ GM EV chief: There are no delays in our EVs due to the pandemic May. 12th 2020 ... partnership between Honda and GM to produce two new electric vehicles by 2024. He said, ?We are full speed ahead with the programs with Honda. The pandemic has not affected us.? ... https://www.ccn.com/why-warren-buffetts-electric-car-startup-is-beating-tesla-in-china/ Why Warren Buffett?s Electric Car Startup is Beating Tesla in China May 12, 2020 ... Tesla's position as the world's leading electric vehicle maker is eroding, especially in China where BYD outsold Elon Musk's company in April. Tesla Model 3 sales in China fell in April even as the broader electric vehicle category saw a sales jump. Warren Buffett-backed BYD had the best-selling EV in China ... https://www.ccn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/BYD-EV-price-0512.png + (Nissan Ariya .jp EV> Telsa-Y wannabe https://dapplife.com/nissan-will-launch-second-electric-car-ariya-crossover-suv-8054 Nissan will launch second electric car Ariya crossover SUV as possible Telsa Model Y alternative May 1, 2020 ... Ariya concept car released at the 2019 Tokyo Motor Show ... positioning is similar to Mercedes-Benz EQC, VW ID4 and AUDI e-tron ... mass production time ... is approaching. Nissan designer Giovanny Arroba has also revealed many of Ariya?s design details and technology ... https://youtu.be/uFHUim9TCAI ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=ariya&sort=date For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:31:09 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] Tesla-3 app locks EV-jacker inside =citizen's-arrest Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-3-carjacking-locks-app/ Tesla Model 3 owner locks carjacking suspect inside with app May 13, 2020 Connected vehicle technology 1, carjacking 0. Thanks to technology, one fewer carjacking took place. In a wild form of 21st-century citizen's arrest ... https://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/img/IOyp0Td2TMWMPW64MzLH2cnNJnU=/2018/09/09/9c7e68d5-bcf1-4246-9072-784ee374b149/2018-tesla-model-3-ogi-1.jpg + (bulletproof Tesla) https://gaadiwaadi.com/this-armored-tesla-model-s-is-fastest-bulletproof-car-in-the-world/ This Armored Tesla Model S Is Fastest Bulletproof Car In The World May 13, 2020 ... Armormax released a 2018 Tesla Model S P100D that can go from zero to 96 kmph in just 2.4 seconds with synthetic fiber laminate armoring and it became the fastest road-going bulletproof car in the world upon its debut ... https://gaadiwaadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Tesla-Armored-Model-S-P100D-1-5-1068x712.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ [email protected] For general EVDL support, see http://evdl.org/help/ http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ------------------------------ End of EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 ********************************** _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
