If you think this rider deserves an honorable mention(because he didn't die but was awfully foolish) for his near death please vote here: https://DarwinAwards.com/slush/new/pending20200507-162748.html Lawrence Rhodes
On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 1:08:41 PM PDT, <[email protected]> wrote: Send EV mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of EV digest..." Also, please be careful not to append the entire digest to your reply. Many mail systems do this by default. Trim or delete the digest text from the bottom of your message, and quote only the parts to which you're replying. Today's Topics: 1. Re: POTH, Renewables and Nuclear (Lawrence Rhodes) 2. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Offgrid Systems) 3. Re: POTH, Renewables and Nuclear (EVDL Administrator) 4. Instead of incurring utility upgrade$, .au DC EVSE adds huge pack (evln) 5. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Larry Gales) 6. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Peri Hartman) 7. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Willie) 8. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Peri Hartman) 9. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Willie) 10. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Robert Bruninga) 11. e-ferry vendors sought2 replace .us W.Coast ice vessels (evln) 12. Re: EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 (Mark Abramowitz) 13. 20kW wireless/inductive EVSE across 11" @92% efficiency (evln) 14. Xinge Henan .cn e-tuk micro-RV> (not4 far or fast) (evln) 15. Kamikaze Joe's e-unicycle flies apart @40mph in NYC tunnel (v) (evln) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 20:14:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] POTH, Renewables and Nuclear Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have seen it.? It is persuasive in a negative way. I don't fully agree with it.? Since I have experienced practical solar vehicles and know it is possible to produce one I know it is possible to run vehicles without treating the planet like a sewer. Lawrence Rhodes ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 14:34:34 -0700 From: Offgrid Systems <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hey Larry, I think that was me. I did car/house/solar+storage and we are about 95% net zero on an annualized basis. I am installing a little more solar and converting my diesel tractor to get to 100%. The upfront cost is there but now the savings are big. Low fuel and maintenance costs for the EV's. Same for a passive house, with the bonus being excellent air quality inside, and cozy warm in the winter. And solar, even here in the great Pacific Northwest is like magic, super low cost to maintain, basically clean them off once per year. It's the perfect retirement plan for me, low outgo, maximum payback and supreme fun! Tim Economu On 5/6/2020 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Some time ago I made a presentation at the Seattle Electric Vehicle > Association (SEVA) in which I showed that, even in the Seattle area which > has the worst solar energy in the USA (other than Alaska), by combining 3 > existing technologies: (1) electric cars, like the Model 3, (2) the > European Passive House Design, and (3) a 10 kW solar panel, that the > combination of house+cars not only is net positive in terms of energy, but > reduces the total amount of energy use by a factor of 9-10, even when you > include the energy needed to manufacture and install the 10 kW solar panel. > > > > > At the end of this presentation, one of the SEVA members got up and said > that he had actually done what I merely calculate and talk about, and that > my figures are very close to what he has observed in reality. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 22:55:02 -0400 From: "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] POTH, Renewables and Nuclear Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I still haven't seen the program under discussion here, so I can only speak generally of Michael Moore, who seems to be taking a few hits here. I guess he's not actually the director of this production, so this may be partly or entirely moot. But anyway: Most of the talk radio loudmouths have always claimed that they were entertainment, not information. Well, so is Moore. Goose, meet gander. To view it another way, Moore is just playing the other side's game. They fight dirty; so does he. Does that make it right? No, but fighting clean hasn't accomplished much lately here in the US, so maybe he's on to something. If he can make even a few people more skeptical of corporate propaganda, then maybe he's succeeded. I wouldn't do it his way, but I'm not going to say he shouldn't. He has every right to try. That's what free speech is about. Nearly all of us on the EV side stick to the high ground. It's getting tougher to find high ground, though, because the coal mining companies have thrown it all down into the valleys with mountaintop removal mining. 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To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 22:28:30 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] Instead of incurring utility upgrade$, .au DC EVSE adds huge pack Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://thedriven.io/2020/05/07/new-goulburn-battery-beats-grid-upgrade-for-electric-vehicle-ultra-rapid-charging/ New Goulburn battery beats grid upgrade for electric vehicle ultra rapid charging May 7, 2020 ...The 250kW/273kWh battery, using LG-Chem cells and Vacon inverters, has been designed and installed by PowerTec, and is the second time that ChargeFox has chosen a battery as a cheaper alternative to upgrading the permanent power supply at a charging site ... have a 180kW connection to the grid, which powers about 30kW of constant load at the service station, leaving 150kW for the chargers. We?ve installed 750kW of Tritium chargers there, with about 50kW of solar coming ... https://thedriven.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/chargefox-battery.jpg + https://electrek.co/2020/05/06/audi-crazy-container-electric-car-charging-system-with-batteries/ Take a look at Audi?s crazy container electric car charging system with batteries May. 6th 2020 ... Audi developed an interesting all-in-one electric vehicle charging system with batteries built inside a container with a gull-wing-like door system ... using used e-tron battery packs ... https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/Audi-charging-container.gif For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 22:42:18 -0700 From: Larry Gales <[email protected]> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <CAGoN6TrU_zNkNa-P2NW1V1PCzKsJCsdXHNxJy8=zbbmnasw...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I was very happy when you spoke up at SEVA. Although I thought my calculations were reasonable, I did not have them peer reviewed, and so I was not sure if I had missed some important aspect, but your actual results confirmed my views. So, thanks a lot. On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Offgrid Systems via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Larry, I think that was me. I did car/house/solar+storage and we are > about 95% net zero on an annualized basis. I am installing a little more > solar and converting my diesel tractor to get to 100%. The upfront cost > is there but now the savings are big. Low fuel and maintenance costs for > the EV's. Same for a passive house, with the bonus being excellent air > quality inside, and cozy warm in the winter. And solar, even here in the > great Pacific Northwest is like magic, super low cost to maintain, > basically clean them off once per year. It's the perfect retirement plan > for me, low outgo, maximum payback and supreme fun! > > Tim Economu > > On 5/6/2020 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Some time ago I made a presentation at the Seattle Electric Vehicle > > Association (SEVA) in which I showed that, even in the Seattle area which > > has the worst solar energy in the USA (other than Alaska), by combining 3 > > existing technologies: (1) electric cars, like the Model 3, (2) the > > European Passive House Design, and (3) a 10 kW solar panel, that the > > combination of house+cars not only is net positive in terms of energy, > but > > reduces the total amount of energy use by a factor of 9-10, even when you > > include the energy needed to manufacture and install the 10 kW solar > panel. > > > > > > > > > > At the end of this presentation, one of the SEVA members got up and said > > that he had actually done what I merely calculate and talk about, and > that > > my figures are very close to what he has observed in reality. > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Larry Gales -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200506/86d3d56c/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 13:54:14 +0000 From: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <emf63a0b12-7f2e-41fb-975f-1a9a3100c80d@peri-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I hear or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar farms, which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. (My speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating they don't want to take losses on their current infrastructure or loose a source of revenue.) Here is direct evidence that, at least for residential, that isn't the case. Progress in solar roof tile technology will make it relatively cheap and very practical to have solar roofs pretty much everywhere - and perhaps cover 100% of residential electricity needs, on average. I can imagine future technology where windows, particularly on office towers, would have a solar film, perhaps with electronically controlled polarized glass, that would be nearly transparent when in shade and active when in the sun. Thanks for posting ! Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "Larry Gales via EV" <[email protected]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Cc: "Larry Gales" <[email protected]> Sent: 06-May-20 10:42:18 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 >I was very happy when you spoke up at SEVA. Although I thought my >calculations were reasonable, I did not have them peer reviewed, and so I >was not sure if I had missed some important aspect, but your actual results >confirmed my views. So, thanks a lot. > >On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Offgrid Systems via EV <[email protected]> >wrote: > >> Hey Larry, I think that was me. I did car/house/solar+storage and we are >> about 95% net zero on an annualized basis. I am installing a little more >> solar and converting my diesel tractor to get to 100%. The upfront cost >> is there but now the savings are big. Low fuel and maintenance costs for >> the EV's. Same for a passive house, with the bonus being excellent air >> quality inside, and cozy warm in the winter. And solar, even here in the >> great Pacific Northwest is like magic, super low cost to maintain, >> basically clean them off once per year. It's the perfect retirement plan >> for me, low outgo, maximum payback and supreme fun! >> >> Tim Economu >> >> On 5/6/2020 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> > Some time ago I made a presentation at the Seattle Electric Vehicle >> > Association (SEVA) in which I showed that, even in the Seattle area which >> > has the worst solar energy in the USA (other than Alaska), by combining 3 >> > existing technologies: (1) electric cars, like the Model 3, (2) the >> > European Passive House Design, and (3) a 10 kW solar panel, that the >> > combination of house+cars not only is net positive in terms of energy, >> but >> > reduces the total amount of energy use by a factor of 9-10, even when you >> > include the energy needed to manufacture and install the 10 kW solar >> panel. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At the end of this presentation, one of the SEVA members got up and said >> > that he had actually done what I merely calculate and talk about, and >> that >> > my figures are very close to what he has observed in reality. >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > >-- >Larry Gales >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200506/86d3d56c/attachment.html> >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 09:23:35 -0500 From: Willie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/7/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I > hear or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar > farms, which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. > (My speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating > they don't want to take losses on their current infrastructure or loose > a source of revenue.) With abundant ground space and no HOA, I've been astonished how cheaply PV can be installed. My current cost estimate is ~$.30/watt including all material but not labor. Selling at local wholesale rates and with no incentives, my payback period is about 5 years. 3-4 years if I am avoiding retail rates. If someone wants to argue that PV is expensive, I am certainly willing to set them straight. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 14:47:41 +0000 From: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <em1642a877-9ada-4550-99a3-b3ae9ede9b5a@peri-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 I think the big problem is how to fill in the energy voids. That is, during night or other times when usage exceeds generation. Tying to the grid is the easy solution but I can see why the energy companies are resisting that: they sell less electricity - and get less revenue - but still need to maintain the same staff and infrastructure to be ready for you at any moment. Here, in the pacific NW, it's not as big a deal since most of the power comes from hydro. But it certainly is a resistance factor if your peak power comes from fossil fuels. The complete solution will require massive amounts of energy storage. As everyone knows, this is expensive to build and not particularly efficient. I hope we can come up with inexpensive, safe storage that can be distributed to every point of use. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "Willie via EV" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: "Willie" <[email protected]> Sent: 07-May-20 7:23:35 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 > > >On 5/7/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I hear >>or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar farms, >>which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. (My >>speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating they don't >>want to take losses on their current infrastructure or loose a source of >>revenue.) > >With abundant ground space and no HOA, I've been astonished how cheaply PV can >be installed. My current cost estimate is ~$.30/watt including all material >but not labor. Selling at local wholesale rates and with no incentives, my >payback period is about 5 years. 3-4 years if I am avoiding retail rates. If >someone wants to argue that PV is expensive, I am certainly willing to set >them straight. > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 11:09:48 -0500 From: Willie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/7/20 9:47 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > I think the big problem is how to fill in the energy voids. That is, > during night or other times when usage exceeds generation. > > Tying to the grid is the easy solution but I can see why the energy > companies are resisting that: they sell less electricity - and get less > revenue - but still need to maintain the same staff and infrastructure > to be ready for you at any moment. Here, in the pacific NW, it's not as > big a deal since most of the power comes from hydro. But it certainly is > a resistance factor if your peak power comes from fossil fuels. I don't understand everything I know about our energy market. Or is it I don't know everything I understand? Without question, it is complicated and convoluted. I'm in the rare situation where my utility has no generation. They buy everything they sell on the ERCOT market. ERCOT being the agency charged with maintaining order and reliability in (most of) Texas market. Since buying power from members (it is a coop) bypasses transmission charges from west Texas (both wind and increasingly PV) and other locations, they are willing to pay a higher rate than a west Texas PV producer would receive. AND they are willing to pay cash for over production. It is very rare for a utility to be willing to pay cash for over production. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 12:07:40 -0400 From: Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just to clarify, the "spinning reserve" argument against renewable energy is propaganda. Already the power companies have to have enough spinning reserve to match any single generating plant in their grid. So if there is a nuke in the area, then they already have to have enough spinning reserve to equal the entire nuke plant. Or something like that. So the 2% of solar power (to date) is absolutely insignificant to what is already spinning. For wind, say we are at 10%, then still there is already enough spinning reserve on line. Yes we will need peaking plants, and even though they are more expensive, they can ramp up in seconds and that added costs is minor compared to all the other "fuel-cost free" renewables. Batteries are coming along and I have no worries that they will not be here at the same rate as renewables increase. Bob -----Original Message----- From: EV <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:48 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Cc: Peri Hartman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 I think the big problem is how to fill in the energy voids. That is, during night or other times when usage exceeds generation. Tying to the grid is the easy solution but I can see why the energy companies are resisting that: they sell less electricity - and get less revenue - but still need to maintain the same staff and infrastructure to be ready for you at any moment. Here, in the pacific NW, it's not as big a deal since most of the power comes from hydro. But it certainly is a resistance factor if your peak power comes from fossil fuels. The complete solution will require massive amounts of energy storage. As everyone knows, this is expensive to build and not particularly efficient. I hope we can come up with inexpensive, safe storage that can be distributed to every point of use. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "Willie via EV" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: "Willie" <[email protected]> Sent: 07-May-20 7:23:35 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 > > >On 5/7/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I >>hear or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive >>solar farms, which will be expensive and have significant ecological >>impact. (My speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, >>indicating they don't want to take losses on their current >>infrastructure or loose a source of revenue.) > >With abundant ground space and no HOA, I've been astonished how cheaply PV can be installed. My current cost estimate is ~$.30/watt including all material but not labor. Selling at local wholesale rates and with no incentives, my payback period is about 5 years. 3-4 years if I am avoiding retail rates. If someone wants to argue that PV is expensive, I am certainly willing to set them straight. > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:09:40 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] e-ferry vendors sought2 replace .us W.Coast ice vessels Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii https://www.marinelink.com/news/vendors-sought-inform-electric-ferry-478302 Vendors Sought to Inform Electric Ferry Design May 7, 2020 ... Skagit County Public Works and vessel designer Glosten say they are seeking technical information and cost estimates from vendors to inform design decisions related to the electrical system, the propulsion system, the shore side electrical system, and the automated charging plug of the all-electric ferry design to replace the 41-year-old M/V Guemes currently in operation on the U.S. West Coast ... https://images.marinelink.com/images/maritime/w400/image-glosten-112719.jpg ... https://www.google.com/search?q=west+coast+ferries + https://www.rivieramm.com/news-content-hub/news-content-hub/bc-ferriesrsquonbspisland-classnbspa-lsquofuture-proofrsquo-solutionnbspnbsp-59004 BC Ferries' Island-class: a 'future-proof' solution BC Ferries' new Island-class ships are ready to be converted from hybrid-electric vessels to fully electric ferries in the future ... https://dvzpv6x5302g1.cloudfront.net/AcuCustom/Sitename/DAM/072/BC_Ferries_Main.jpg ... https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+ferries For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 09:13:29 -0700 From: Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> To: Peri Hartman <[email protected]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Not speaking about any specific type of solar, I saw a recent stat that solar was the cheapest source for new energy. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 7, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > ?I think the big problem is how to fill in the energy voids. That is, during > night or other times when usage exceeds generation. > > Tying to the grid is the easy solution but I can see why the energy companies > are resisting that: they sell less electricity - and get less revenue - but > still need to maintain the same staff and infrastructure to be ready for you > at any moment. Here, in the pacific NW, it's not as big a deal since most of > the power comes from hydro. But it certainly is a resistance factor if your > peak power comes from fossil fuels. > > The complete solution will require massive amounts of energy storage. As > everyone knows, this is expensive to build and not particularly efficient. I > hope we can come up with inexpensive, safe storage that can be distributed to > every point of use. > > Peri > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Willie via EV" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: "Willie" <[email protected]> > Sent: 07-May-20 7:23:35 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 > >> >> >>> On 5/7/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>> It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I hear >>> or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar farms, >>> which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. (My >>> speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating they >>> don't want to take losses on their current infrastructure or loose a source >>> of revenue.) >> >> With abundant ground space and no HOA, I've been astonished how cheaply PV >> can be installed. My current cost estimate is ~$.30/watt including all >> material but not labor. Selling at local wholesale rates and with no >> incentives, my payback period is about 5 years. 3-4 years if I am avoiding >> retail rates. If someone wants to argue that PV is expensive, I am >> certainly willing to set them straight. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:13:26 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] 20kW wireless/inductive EVSE across 11" @92% efficiency Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127954_wireless-charging-demo-for-trucks-20-kw-across-11-inches-92-efficiency Wireless charging demo for trucks: 20 kw across 11 inches, 92% efficiency Apr 27, 2020 - Although still in demonstration mode, a DOE lab project shows that wireless charging ... Wireless charging demo for trucks: 20 kw across 11 inches, 92% efficiency ... https://images.hgmsites.net/hug/ornl-wireless-charging-demonstration-with-ups-hybrid-truck_100745453_h.jpg + https://news.stanford.edu/2020/05/04/wirelessly-charging-electric-cars-drive/ Stanford researchers one step closer toward enabling electric cars to recharge themselves wirelessly as they drive May 4, 2020 Engineers have demonstrated a practical way to use magnetism to transmit electricity wirelessly to recharge electric cars, robots or even drones. The technology could be scaled up to power electric cars as they drive over highways, robots on factory floors and drones hovering over rooftops. https://news-media.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/04130153/WIRELESS-kimi-lee-M3RVFbqKGu4-unsplash.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:24:08 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] Xinge Henan .cn e-tuk micro-RV> (not4 far or fast) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://www.rideapart.com/articles/406910/chinese-three-wheeled-tuktuk-rv/ This Three-Wheeled Electric RV Could Be Perfect For Self-Isolation Mar 30, 2020 ... Chinese Maker Offers a Motorhome for Self-Isolation ... Just don?t expect to go very far or fast ... Looking like the love-child of a traditional RV and a Tuk Tuk, this Chinese import is outfitted with just about everything you could need to get away from it all ... This electric Tuk Tuk RV helps in social distancing. A niche Chinese vehicle maker Xinge Henan Motorcycle Co. sells a 1400lb (635 kg), 9' ... https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/jveLN/s3/tuktukrv.jpg ... https://www.google.com/search?q=Xinge+Henan + (dated, $219k full-size 249i .de e-RV) https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/17/20870863/electric-rv-for-sale-camper-motorhome-iridiu m-dusseldorf World?s first fully electric RV can now go 249 miles on one charge Sep 17, 2019 The Iridium EV is the brainchild of two German companies, ElektroFahrzeuge Stuttgart (called EFA-S, an electric vehicle retrofitter) and WOF, a camper van manufacturer ... 249mi Iridium flagship will list at ~$219,000 ... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/65265565/wof_iridium_e_wohnmobil_camper_caravan_salon.0.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:43:52 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] Kamikaze Joe's e-unicycle flies apart @40mph in NYC tunnel (v) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://www.carscoops.com/2020/05/riding-a-modded-electric-unicycle-at-40-mph-in-nyc-tunnel-has-consequences/ Riding A Modded Electric Unicycle At 40 MPH In NYC Tunnel ... May 7, 2020 Electric unicycles look like a fun way to ride for those who have enough courage and good balance to use them ... https://youtu.be/RwcxT4lOnpo + https://hackaday.com/2018/04/23/3000w-unicycles-only-limitation-is-personal-courage/ 3000W Unicycle?s Only Limitation Is ?Personal Courage? April 23, 2018 ... Power comes from twenty LiFePO4 cells in the cylindrical fuselage above the wheel, and switches and knobs provide fine-tuning of the control software ... https://youtu.be/CE0rmpAKH4k ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8216895/Man-riding-UNICYCLE-28mph-main-road-pulled-wobbling-much.html (wobbling: move unsteadily from side to side) ... http://www.weebles-wobble.com/ (Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down!) For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ [email protected] For general EVDL support, see http://evdl.org/help/ http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ------------------------------ End of EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 8 ********************************* _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
