It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I hear or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar farms, which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. (My speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating they don't want to take losses on their current infrastructure or loose a source of revenue.)

Here is direct evidence that, at least for residential, that isn't the case. Progress in solar roof tile technology will make it relatively cheap and very practical to have solar roofs pretty much everywhere - and perhaps cover 100% of residential electricity needs, on average. I can imagine future technology where windows, particularly on office towers, would have a solar film, perhaps with electronically controlled polarized glass, that would be nearly transparent when in shade and active when in the sun.

Thanks for posting !
Peri

------ Original Message ------
From: "Larry Gales via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Larry Gales" <[email protected]>
Sent: 06-May-20 10:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6

I was very happy when you spoke up at SEVA.  Although I thought my
calculations were reasonable, I did not have them peer reviewed, and so I
was not sure if I had missed some important aspect, but your actual results
confirmed my views.  So, thanks a lot.

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Offgrid Systems via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:

 Hey Larry, I think that was me. I did car/house/solar+storage and we are
 about 95% net zero on an annualized basis. I am installing a little more
 solar and converting my diesel tractor to get to 100%. The upfront cost
 is there but now the savings are big. Low fuel and maintenance costs for
 the EV's. Same for a passive house, with the bonus being excellent air
 quality inside, and cozy warm in the winter. And solar, even here in the
 great Pacific Northwest is like magic, super low cost to maintain,
 basically clean them off once per year. It's the perfect retirement plan
 for me, low outgo, maximum payback and supreme fun!

 Tim Economu

 On 5/6/2020 9:13 AM, [email protected] wrote:
 > Some time ago I made a presentation at the Seattle Electric Vehicle
 > Association (SEVA) in which I showed that, even in the Seattle area which
 > has the worst solar energy in the USA (other than Alaska), by combining 3
 > existing technologies:  (1) electric cars, like the Model 3, (2) the
 > European Passive House Design, and (3) a 10 kW solar panel, that the
 > combination of house+cars not only is net positive in terms of energy,
 but
 > reduces the total amount of energy use by a factor of 9-10, even when you
 > include the energy needed to manufacture and install the 10 kW solar
 panel.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > At the end of this presentation, one of the SEVA members got up and said
 > that he had actually done what  I merely calculate and talk about, and
 that
 > my figures are very close to what he has observed in reality.
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