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> On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Michael Ross via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> " Our City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity
> increased to handle the loads."
>
> You might say that the electric utilities are crashing the grid by
not
> recognizing the need to respond to change. EV use will grow, but
not too
> quickly - in the present when the electric grid should be trying to
keep
> pace it is not, because of intransigence and the influence of
established
> interests.
>
> Short term, stockholders may see better returns, but long term
building
now
> would pay off even better. That is not how the market and finance
seems
to
> work these days. Instead it is let's bundle some paper and charge
some
> fees; not let's rebuild, reinforce and improve infrastructure.
>
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> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <
[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> You paint too broad a brush.
>>
>> There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn
from
the
>> grid and increased useage.
>>
>> As plasma and other big screen TVs got big, various parts of my
city had
>> serious issues with power outages, as the system wasn't designed
for
those
>> loads. And these weren't areas that had been there for 100 years.
>> Relatively new housing developments had continuing power problems.
Our
>> City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity
increased to
>> handle the loads.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Thos True via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Peri & All,
>>>
>>> I recall addressing this fear about a decade ago when it the fear
was
>> being
>>> pushed by mainstream media.
>>> The reality is no different than events that have occurred many
times
>> since
>>> the inception of the electrical grid. It is interesting that the
>> utilities
>>> seem to do their best to avoid this conversation.
>>> Some that we might recall were the fears about every house having
a
>>> refrigerator and washing machine, then it was the clothes dryer,
followed
>>> by microwave ovens & hand held appliances and the hot tub craze,
followed
>>> by the air conditioner installations. The air conditioners do have
a
>>> noticeable effect on the grid due to a few factors (1. Grid
already
>>> stressed due to over heating. 2. Large numbers in a region using
the
>> device
>>> at the same time (large, continuous inrush currents). 3. Extended
periods
>>> of load for each device (in excess of 4 hours each).)
>>> The previous example share the relatively short, staggered inrush
current
>>> events, followed by lower power demands, which are barely
noticeable,
>>> according to the utilities themselves, since most L2 units use the
same
>>> amount of power per use as the average clothes dryer.
>>>
>>> Tom True
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <
[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think this article raises a good question, though I don't
really
think
>>>> it answers it. Currently, yes, the grid isn't significantly
impacted.
>> But
>>>> what about if we had 100% EVs. What about local and long haul
trucking?
>>>> What about other ICE powered equipment, e.g. earth movers, etc.?
What
>> about
>>>> generation capacity as well as distribution capacity?
>>>>
>>>> Personally, our EV boosted our electricity consumption by about
10%. I
>>>> don't know how that number compares in general as, even with our
EV,
our
>>>> electricity usage is below the national average. Even so, that's
only
>>>> accounting for residential EVs. Commercial and industrial
electricity
>> usage
>>>> is much higher than residential. Is that enough to coincidentally
>> assume a
>>>> 10% figure for non residential EV charging? If this pans out to
be
>>>> reasonably true, it would seem that EVs will not, long term,
cause a
>>>> significant drain on our generation capacity, if any at all
(considering
>>>> time of use).
>>>>
>>>> For distribution, yes, we clearly can't have everyone charging
their
EVs
>>>> at 5:30pm. But, as we move more and more to renewables, we'll
need
grid
>>>> storage anyway and, using the "10% rule", EVs won't be a
significant
>>>> factor. The significant factor will be how to get Nevada solar to
the
>>>> cloudy Pacific NW or to get Texas wind to sticky South Carolina.
And
>> how to
>>>> store several days worth to even out nature's effects.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have real numbers of the effects of 100% EVs on
generation
>> and
>>>> distribution?
>>>>
>>>> Peri
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-garcia/good-news-evs-are-n
>>>> ot-crashing-grid
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Cc: "brucedp5" <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: 30-Dec-17 10:08:53 PM
>>>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171226
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.
>>>>> com/EVLN-Tesla-3-EV-handling-snow-covered-rutted-off-road-
>>>>> track-on-standard-tires-v-tp4689040.html
>>>>> EVLN: Tesla-3 EV handling snow-covered rutted off-road track on
>> standard
>>>>> tires (v)
>>>>> The current versions of Tesla's flagship vehicles control power
to
all
>>>>> four
>>>>> wheels through dual independently operated electric motors,
providing
>>>>> unparalleled traction in even the worst of winter conditions.
Short
of
>>>>> driving your Tesla through a snow-covered off-road track with
deep,
>> muddy
>>>>> ruts, Model S and Model X's ...
>>>>>
>>>>> +
>>>>> https://www.teslarati.com/verne-troyer-tesla-model-s-
>> kids-unboxing-video/
>>>>> Verne Troyer just got a Tesla Model S for Kids and says it’s a
beast
>>>>> December 28, 2017 Not long after, Troyer began his “unboxing”
of the
>>>>> Model
>>>>> S for Kids, where he gave a surprisingly complete rundown of the
>> miniature
>>>>> vehicle's features. During the course of the video, Troyer
showed off
>> the
>>>>> miniature car's frunk, Tesla-branded charger, and its battery
pack.
The
>>>>> Austin Powers star also took ...
>>>>> https://youtu.be/6K_nTNvyTtE
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-garcia/good-news-evs-are-n
>>>>> ot-crashing-grid
>>>>> Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid
>>>>> Dec 27, 2017 First, despite fears that EVs would overwhelm the
>> existing
>>>>> electric grid infrastructure, only a very minor fraction of
them―0.19
>>>>> percent―have actually necessitated distribution system or
service
line
>>>>> upgrades. Moreover, this data point has translated to relatively
low
>>>>> levels
>>>>> of EV-related spending on grid maintenance: of the $5 ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
>>>>> http://evdl.org/archive/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> {brucedp.neocities.org}
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>> is
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