Yes, but... What brings about *change* is not how big the problem is, but how rapidly one is committed to fixing it. No one disagrees that China is the worst polluter and the US is #2, but my point is that China is changing to Renewable energy at TWICE our rate with Twice our investment and with an estimated 13 million job effort. While we ignore the potential future jobs and market with a new emphasis on obsolete dirty coal... and folding back our iniciatives on new clean energy... Bob
-----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jan Steinman via EV Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:47 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1231c physical disassembly - cut the rear panel or not? > From: Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > >> CFBs and LEDs are inherently more complex and costly than old >> incandescents. But we've "externalized" those costs (and their carbon >> footprint and energy of production) to China, which is using cheap >> coal for goods production ... > > The excuse of "china" and their coal consumption is so 2008 legacy and > triggers a response... Look, I’m not making this up! Google knows (with 2016 datelines): http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=how+fast+is+china+building+coal+plants While it is true that coal-fired electricity peaked in China in 2014, that appears to have been due to global recession, rather than policy. They continue to build new coal plants, albeit at a slower rate. But my go-to source for such things is Gail Tverberg, who has been invited to teach energy and resource depletion issues in China. She claims reliance on cheap domestic coal is more important than even cheap labour in making China a manufacturing powerhouse. https://ourfiniteworld.com/?s=china Bottom line: let’s not get too cocky about such things. Yea, I like LEDs, and have recently ordered a bunch of them, but at best, they are slowing down our overshoot, not stopping it, and they are certainly not “sustainable.” Anyway, my apologies for taking this off the list subject, into a more-controversial subject. Jan _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
