Have you ever seen the J1772 Induction system from 15 years ago? The connector was a block about the size of a paperback book with a heavy cable going back to a suitcase size control box. Conduction charging like the modern J1772 is very efficient with just wire and connector losses. The Induction systems peak out at about 80% efficiency, power line to actual load, so they waste 20% of the power intended to be transferred.
I will agree that there can be increased safety with the induction designs but they were no simpler to use and much more costly in the car and at the EVSE than the current J1772 conductive system. David Kerzel -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ROBERT via EV Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:12 AM To: Robert Bruninga <[email protected]>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production I agree. The EVSE functionality needs to be included in the car. I do not like the EVSE concept. An induction system is safer and simpler to use. GM may have killed the EV1; however, they got the technology correct. ________________________________ From: EV <[email protected]> on behalf of Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:20 AM To: David Kerzel; Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Roger Stockton Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production But at the house end of the EVSE, It is still just a simple plug into 120 volt standard socket. If the EVSE stuff is built-into the car, then all the safety issues are identical. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Kerzel via EV Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 10:06 AM To: 'Roger Stockton'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production The biggest cost for either system is posible litigation when someone get injured. The risk is electrical from EV users and vandals to someone tripping over a cable. J1772 is about safety and preventing injury, the complex multi-level guarding of the connection, GFI, and power is off before the connector is mated to or separated from the car. The price of quality EVSE has been continually dropping and will continue to do so as more EVs get on the road. David Kerzel -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roger Stockton via EV Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 4:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production ROBERT via EV wrote: > Again I must correct myself. I looked back at the J1772 standard and > some past work that I did. An EVSE outputs a 1KHz square wave. The > duty cycle of this wave informs the the vehicle of the maximum > amperage that the EVSE can supply (rated current). The vehicle is > responsible for not drawings a current greater than the EVSE rating. Yes. > All lower amperage adapters must > limit this duty cycle to the rating of the adapter. As an example. > If the EVSE is rated at 50 amps and the adapter is only rated for 20A, > the adapter must adjust the duty cycle. This is where you lose me. If the EVSE is rated for 50A, then it generates a pilot signal that informs the vehicle/charger that it can draw up to this amount. There is no need or purpose for an adapter between the EVSE and a vehicle unless the vehicle does not have a J1772 inlet. If the vehicle doesn't have a J1772 inlet, then it also doesn't need (or understand) the J1772 pilot signal and so there is no need for an adapter to generate a pilot signal limiting the vehicle to a lower current than the EVSE is capable of providing. > It is possible to design a 20A > adapter with a switch and a resistor that does not modify the duty > cycle from the EVSE. Yes, and this adapter is used to convert a J1772 EVSE *into* a NEMA receptacle so that a non-J1772 compliant EV/charger may be plugged into a public charging station. This is exactly the opposite of what would be required or used if NEMA receptacles were provided at each charging stall. Most of us with conversion EVs have chargers that can plug directly into a NEMA outlet, and would not need an adapter more sophisticated than an extension cord. Those of us with production EVs (other than Teslas, perhaps) will have J1772 inlets and will need to use our J1772 "opportunity charge" cords; these are effectively "smart" extension cords with a NEMA plug on the wall end, a J1772 charge paddle on the vehicle end, and a small EVSE in between that provides the appropriate pilot signal for the vehicle/charger. If the NEMA plug on the wall end of the opportunity charge cord is a NEMA 5-15P, then the pilot signal should (must!) tell the charger not to draw more than 12A. If the cord has a NEMA 5-20P plug, then the pilot signal can allow the charger to draw up to 16A (since this plug can only mate with a receptacle on a 20A rated circuit). Even if the J1772 opportunity charge cord were to tell the charger it is OK to draw more current than the NEMA receptacle and circuit are rated for, there should be no safety issue: the NEMA receptacle and its associated supply wiring will be protected by an appropriately rated breaker and the breaker will simply open. 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