Yes, our EV club recommends one L2 for every DOZEN L1 outlets installed at these 8 hour parking lots (Workplace, Transportation hubs, park-n-rides, etc)
And L1's even with cords do NOT need any infrastructure or internet or billing. The employee just pays $6 per pay period for the priveledge. The Federal Government has now made that policy for government employees. And THAT is sustainable no matter how many EV's we get. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Chris Meier [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:01 AM To: Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE's everywhere or long range batteries? *Some* L2 would still be desirable. It can help when there are not enough L1/outlets. But sometimes you want to make an unplanned trip and an hour or two of L2 on site can make the difference. -- -Chris On November 6, 2016 7:35:41 AM CST, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sorry Robert, I completely disagree with you. >> most people ultimately won't care if they are driving an ICE or an >EV, >> they bought the car for transportation and that's it. >> If they need to go to a quick charge station once a week, that's >> status quo for them. No big deal. > >I think many people are smarter than that. Once people with a daily 20 >or >30 mile commute realize that they are spending an extra $15,000 for a >200 >mile battery that they never use, when a $5,000 can do the same job we >will start to see the practicality come back in to the car purchasing >decision. > >> there are plenty of people who will never have a fixed location to >charge. > >And so they will likely continue to need an ICE. But if the other 80% >of us switch to electric look what a boon to emissions reduction that >will be. And those tht can afford to buy a 200 mile EV will. But they >should be aware that there will never be enough fast chargers and they >will waste a good portion of their lives trying to find a place to >charge and then have to waste a half hour waiting for it to work. > >Most people are smarter than that. > >> At some point, the cost of building very high speed level 3 charge >stations >> will be cheaper than providing L2 charging in parking places. > >There is lunacy in that vision as well. It makes no sense to put L2 >chargers in workplace, airport, trainstation parking spaces. Or any >place where cars spend 8 hours a day parked. The L2 is a complete >waste there, when a standard 120v oulet can do the same job. In 8 >hours, an L1 ouitlet (or cord) can provide 40 miles of range. More >than the daily usage of the average american. > >And cars spend 23 hours a day parked somewhere. > >Bob > >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Sent: 05-Nov-16 9:20:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Local dealer $1k-deposit-signup(reserve): Bolt >EV's In >> Production >> >> Seriously? >>> >>> if you don't have access to an EVSE, you can't charge your Bolt. >>>> >>> >>> It is foolish for anyone to buy an EV if he does not have a parking >place >>> and a place to charge it everyday. (At home or at work). Fast >charging is >>> only for emergencies and trips. It is UNSUSTAINABLE to think that >EV's >>> are >>> going to be fueled using the old gas-station model (which is the >ultimate >>> in inconveneince that the EV (charged while parked at home or at >work) is >>> best at eliminating!).... >>> >>> Bob, WB4APR >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:02 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Because the government forced them to make it >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV ><[email protected] >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I looked at the Bolt last night on line, spent a little while >going >>>> thru >>>> the >>>> > stats, various reviews etc. >>>> > >>>> > One thing that totally astounded me was that the CSS Inlet and >HV >>>> charging set >>>> > up costs about $500 and ALSO the Level 1 charger costs another >$500 or >>>> so. That >>>> > means that if you don't have access to an EVSE, you can't charge >your >>>> Bolt. >>>> > >>>> > Come on now folks, is this company really serious about entering >into >>>> the EV >>>> > market? Why produce an EV it you won't even supply a way to >charge >>>> it... >>>> > >>>> > My 2 watts opinion... >>>> > >>>> > Rush Dougherty >>>> > Tucson AZ 85719 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please >>>> discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >>>> group/NEDRA) >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV >>>> drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >>>> group/NEDRA) >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/ >>> 20161105/6ab3bb6b/attachment.htm> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV >>> drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group >>> /NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161106/7ca >6742b/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag >racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
