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Begin forwarded message: > From: Mark Hanson <[email protected]> > Date: October 26, 2016 at 4:54:37 PM EDT > To: Lawrence Harris <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Thanks for the Smart ED, iMiEV and Leaf Info > > Thanks Lawrence > Do you have to pay $80 per month for battery rental? Or did you pay more to > own the battery? Can you read the individual cell voltages? Can you read > the fault codes through the Obd connector or do you need a special reader? > Did you buy it used or new? > Best regards > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Lawrence Harris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just to add my own view here. I have had a smartED 2013 for three years and >> it’s been a great car. I drive it pretty much daily and it’s been a dream >> to drive, fast and agile, tons of space to carry stuff. Basically perfectly >> suited to city driving. As for service my local MB dealer has been good and >> the basic service costs are very much on par with anything I have ever owned >> (mainly Nissan’s) except they are overall cheaper than my gas cars without >> all the parts that need to be replaced and oil changes etc. I too would >> like to own the service manuals but in reality I won’t ever be digging that >> deeply into self service. I gave that up many years back when the cars >> became mostly electronically controlled. The mechanics I can get serviced >> anywhere as the base car is the same as the gas and diesel versions. After >> three years my battery seems to holding up just fine, my range is the same >> or even slightly more than when I bought it - might be just the estimator >> learning my driving style. >> >> That said, if I had kids I would have probably bought a leaf at the time and >> today I would consider the iMev or the KEA Soul EV which looks really nice >> if I need a bigger car any time soon. For now I am waiting for the 400+ km >> car with fast charger for my next one. >> >> As for conversions I did look into this some years back when I had my diesel >> smart but for many reasons including cost and performance it just didn’t >> seem like a good option. I think with all the good EV’s on the market today >> the only vehicle worth converting would be a truck as there is nothing yet >> in that category though I expect that too will change fairly soon. >> >> Lawrence >> >>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 18:24, Mark Hanson via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Cor, Dave etc for the thoughtful Smart, iMiEV and Leaf info. >>> >>> >>> >>> Since I already have a Leaf (like it very much but my son latched onto it >>> and would like a smaller commuter car) when I replace my Karmann Ghia EV >>> next month I'll probably buy a iMiEV since I see online service manuals >>> available, individual battery monitoring and the same 100K 8 year battery >>> warranty like the Leaf has (also saw a few Chevy Spark compliance cars but >>> little support). It looks like according to www.batteryuniversity.com that >>> both vehicles(Leaf & iMiEV) use the NMC nickel- manganese- cobalt cathode >>> with lithium substrate and carbon anode by LG Chem? I think the 2016 Smart >>> will too. So the iMiEV should have similar life and both air cooled not >>> complicated water cooled like the Smart ED. I drove a Smart ED and really >>> liked the car but if I can't service it (or get it serviced for a reasonable >>> price) then it's a no-go. I wish Swatch kept it or sold through another >>> company other than Mercedes Benz (most MB wheeler-dealers hate the car - low >>> profits), rather sell $70K foo-foo Mercedes (like the dealer here in >>> Roanoke, VA). I'd take the Smart (convert) plunge if someone made a motor >>> adapter and had a manual transmission but the one's I've seen (ICE) have a >>> crappy auto tranny. I saw an 05' conversion on www.evalbum.com but looks >>> like he spent considerable time and money on it (like my conversion $25K). >>> I'm looking at a iMiEV 2014 5K miles for $9K ... Still hard to sell my >>> conversion - since it'll probably be the last car I'll convert, doesn't make >>> sense to convert anymore though. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Hi folks (original message) >>> >>> I was wondering if it makes sense to convert a Smart Car and does anyone >>> know of a good conversion kit? The problem with the Smart ED as I was >>> looking at a used 2014 is they want a $80 monthly battery rental fee for ten >>> years or $9600 on top of the car price. Also there is *no* service manual >>> available from Mercedes. I called several Smart dealers and they said their >>> service department can't even get a service manual. Also I can't find any >>> way to monitor the individual cells like my Leaf or iMiev And If you buy >>> the battery for an additional $5k the warranty is only 4 years and 50k >>> miles. Battery replacement cost is $29k verified at several dealers. The >>> Leaf and iMiev are 100k 8 year warranty and the Leaf is $5.5k to replace and >>> the iMiev is about $12k a dealer said. I'm thinking of selling my Ghia >>> www.evalbum.com/4346 and buying a used iMiev or Smart ED. I already have a >>> Leaf that my son drives mostly and both EVs are charged from the sun. >>> >>> Have a renewable energy day >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> >>> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 14:08:47 -0700 >>> >>> From: Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> >>> >>> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smart Car Conversion Kits? >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <a73bc4b8b3218642a56a2c9eb01b44e002aed...@exchange.corp.proxim.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> >>> >>> Everything screams to me that the Smart is a nice car for Leasing but stay >>> away if you want to buy! Every car is going to be an orphan as soon as you >>> buy it and it has very limited space so unless you are lucky with the car >>> and the battery and nothing breaks - it appears that you are on your own or >>> have to fork over whatever ransom Mercedes asks to work on the car for you. >>> >>> For proof, look at the unrealistic battery price, it is several times more >>> than the cost of the battery, so why bother if there are so many better >>> alternatives? >>> >>> I love my Leaf so much, I now have two. Since I need space to work on my >>> electric truck, I am going to sell one. It has some damage but hardly >>> noticeable and does not affect the operation at all. Good battery, still has >>> 12 bars though I suspect will lose bar 12 soon. Car is a 2011 Leaf SV, >>> battery has lived in Washington until 3 months ago when it moved to >>> California, that is why it still has good capacity. Send me an email if you >>> are interested. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cor van de Water >>> >>> Chief Scientist >>> >>> Proxim Wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water >>> >>> XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a renewable energy day, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark E. 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