Paul, the 29.6V is not the max charge voltage of the pack. It is the nominal 
voltage:
8 x 3.7V (these were Cobalt cells) = 29.6V
So the max 32V on the bus is actually only 4V per cell and that means that they 
keep those cells
below max charge voltage of 4.2V
So, it was not possible that the battery was over-charged, unless a cell 
shorted and the 32V
was applied to 7 cells in series instead of 8!

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-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:21 PM
To: Cor van de Water via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

We already covered how to tell is a cell has internal defects. You drain the 
cell to 2.5 volts and then if the cell voltage rises it's good if it keeps 
falling don't use it. I did think this up This is what NASA does. I read it in 
one of their presentations. I can dig it up if you like. 

As for the Dreamliner I followed that carefully. My favorite chart that they 
presented to the FAA said 
- the only thing that causes lithium battery fires is overchargeing
- we can find no evidence we are over charging 
- therefore the cause of the fire is unknown

One of those statements has to be wrong. And the fire was the evidence of 
overcharging.

The open circuit voltage of their battery was 29.6 volts. The system voltage 
was 32 volts. They were charging the cells the whole time the APU was running 
and wondering why it burned.

As for laptops they were overcharging as well. The paper I read the designer 
claimed that leaving a small amount of current flowing or trickle charge as 
they call it would not hurt lithium batteries. 

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