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In reference to Cor's valid comment (below), as our EV-cause dream is
realized, more and more EV-noob drivers are coming online, and they are
going to word their experiences badly/unfairly/inaccurately (equating
everything to the EV rather than the real issues). Such is life amongst the
un-EV-educated/un-EV-enlightened. 

We (the plugin community) will have to be tolerant of it, and gently let
them take ownership as their idea, that the issues aren't the EV (careful
now, an ego is a fragile-bomb that can back-bite if defused roughly).

I posted this news piece because I am seeing more of these (released to the
public with some on a seestanblog.com petulant level) ...
 and I had had a couple of similar experiences.

After having my S-10 Blazer conversion EV a while, I chucked (recycled) the
heavy steel wheels for new lighter mag-style ones (attracting more attention
to my EV) and a set of Goodyear Invicta (no longer in production) lrr tires.

At the time, Bill Egan of Goodyear was an excellent tire resource for the EV
community (he did his company proud), advising the EV racing community on
what type of GY lrr tire to use and at what pressures front and rear
depending on the vehicle and weight distribution.

These lrr tries did tend to slip on wet pavement/on rainy days when pushed
beyond their design (driving a 2ton EV up and down twisty-turny mountain
roads).

>From all the good-EV-deeds I have done, I had earned press credentials that
gave me an in to drive some of the production EVs of those times.

When I had an Honda EVplus for a day (my Blazer happily charging at my hp
work site), before a mid-day show, I took the EV+ to a new station that was
built to cater to the silicon affluent clientele, The Car Spa (an easy
convenient way _back-then_ to drop some dough on your sweet ride).

I was hoping the EV+ was going to be so much more accepted by the
non-EV-knowledgeable public than my Blazer EV conversion, that I took a
chance and turned the keys over to the attendant at the counter for their
riders to use.

But yea, sure enough, they had problems. I was keeping an eye out encase
they did and spotted the driver confused as to how to get the EV+ moving. I
went over and instructed him, with him saying, 'Oh, its just like a regular
car', and he was off toward the ramp to let their conveyor system push
vehicles through the wash-rinse-wax-n-dry tunnel.

Upon its return, a different driver expressed that the EV+ did not line up
with the wheel tracks like other cars.

After happily not seeing any body damage to the EV+ I was responsible for,
when I drove out of their lot to head to the show with a fresh zip-wax
coating on it, I did notice, the EV+ tires did slip a bit on turns. But
after the soap and or wax wore off the traction surfaces, the EV+ drove
fine.

In a different experience back in my Blazer years later, I chose to use an
automated quick wash that was part of a stations' services. It was pretty
straight forward, so I did not have to interface with a gas person to
explain I did not want any chemical-fuel. 

You just drove up to the beginning of the machine built into the side of the
station, ran your credit card though it, chose your wash-n-wax options, and
rolled up your windows. 

The conveyor work engage and pull you through their machine. My S-10 Blazer
fit their tracks with no problem. After the robotic arm power rinsed and
then soaped, with different roller arms coming down and going around to
'non-touch' wash the surfaces, the 1st arms then  rinsed and waxed, with
powerful blowers to push the water off the car more than actually dry it.

When I was finally released from the automated machine, I had trouble
leaving after the cycle had ended. I too had a brief back thought that I
might get stuck. But as an experience EV driver, I knew thus did not blame
the EV, but knew it was the lack of traction on the soapy/waxy lrr tires
that was the culprit. Perseverance allowed me to eventually get-out of the
clutches of their machine and drive away.

It pretty clear that the experiences of the writer of the news piece had
could have happened to any vehicle that had tires that lost traction, and
not just because it was a Leaf or an EV.




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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014, at 06:01 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> What a hogwash article!
> This has litterally nothing to do with EV, but everything with the
> ability of the driver to deal with slippery surfaces and the design
> of the car wash to allow a car getting "trapped" on low friction
> surfaces. The electric drivetrain has no part in this car wash's
> trapping scheme or the ability of the driver to negotiate this
> treacherous terrain, so I am puzzled why the heading was chosen to
> warn specifically the Leaf owners, as if they are the only drivers
> that would be affected by slippery car wash surfaces.
> To me, this sounds like fear-mongering of a person who rather sits
> in a 4WD truck, but I may be biased.
> I have never had an issue negotiating any terrain that I wanted to
> cross in my FWD Prius or in my RWD electric truck. I can't remember
> which year I last visited an automated car wash. I wash my vehicles
> at most once a year (not because I am lazy but out of conviction to save
> precious water resources for drinking, not unnecessarily shining up
> paint that eventually gets dull anyway). Occasionally I will clean
> windows to be able to drive safely and for the rest I just let the wind
> and rain take care of the dust on my truck.
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