Yes -- exactly. Trying to find an alternative fuel filling station is a real pain...but the instant that somebody discovers that all they have to do is drag an extension cord from the 110 outlet in the garage to the car and the next morning they've got 20 "free" miles...well, almost nobody is going to fail to plug the car in overnight at that point.
Then, get them hooked on plugging in at parking lots so they get that many more "free" miles...and now this limited-electric-range "puffy" SUV is suddenly, for all intensive porpoises, a BEV that happens to be lugging around its own on-board tow truck in case the batteries do run out. And, again...even marginal efficiency improvements in these worst-of-the-worst vehicles in the fleet far outweigh much more substantial improvements in middle-of-the-pack vehicles, let alone significant improvements in the most efficient cars on the road. Replacing a 35 MPG sedan with a 50 MPG econobox is fantastic, but giving a 20-mile electric range to a 15 MPG "soccer mom" SUV leaves *far* more carbon in the ground -- even though there's a 15 MPG difference in each case. b& On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Changing a vehicle to Hybrid alone will give great fuel economy > improvement. > And don't under-estimate the smarts of people - if they can get cheaper > driving by rolling out an extension cord and plugging in at 110V, which > is plenty for a typical PIH, then there will me many people doing that! > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EVDL > Administrator via EV > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 10:19 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles> converting buyers to > ahigher mpge design > > On 15 Sep 2014 at 9:34, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >> the full-size (puffy) truck or suv vehicle its self is what the buyer >> wants, and that the pih model would be close to the same size and >> passenger seating ... > > Now here is where my cynical side rebuts my optimistic side. :-\ > > I wonder if this wouldn't just end up much like the "flexible fuel" > vehicles > sold for the last several years. I think the automakers get some kind > of > CAFE credits for those (I don't know the details and it's OT anyway), > but > the number that ever get fed anything but gasoline is infinitesimal. > > Now suppose that with subsidies the big automakers could sell PIH trucks > and > SUVs cheaper than pure ICE trucks and SUVs. Of course they would; the > dealers would clamor for it. BUT, I'll bet they wouldn't sell them as > PIHs. > The sales people would barely mention it, except to maybe tell the buyer > > "it's cheaper because you could plug it in if you wanted to." > > Many or most of these bargain-priced PIHs would go to people who had no > interest in using the EV mode. Chances are good that even though they'd > > save money by plugging in, many of them wouldn't bother - especially if > they > had to have an EVSE installed in their garages (if they even had > garages). > I can see many of these PIHs running most or all of the time on > gasoline, > just like the "flexible fuel" vehicles do today. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140916/73677310/attachment.pgp> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
