Hi Pablo, Thank You, it's very helpful
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Pablo <[email protected]> wrote: > Humberto, > > I would like to add: each learner may have a different strategy or > method that works for him/her. What works for me may not necessarily > work for others. We have to discover what works better for us. > > About repetition, one day I read somewhere the question: How many > times is advisable to repeat something what we are listening to? The > answer was: as many times as you find pleasant/useful. That's is good > to know. We keep listening many, many words/phrases in our mother > language. That's why we master our own language. > > By the way, last days I keep listening some documentaries, thanks to a > teacher who share us this link: > > http://www.documentarywire.com/ > > I'm watching/listening, e.g. Guns, Germs and Steel, the first part. I > know most of the words, I understand more when the narrator speaks, > because his English is clear and slow, and I understand more to one of > the characters, to the biologist, and don't understand so well to the > archaeologist. I think is also useful to listening to this kind of > English because we may know the words but is key to listening to the > words/phrases in a context. Some high frequency words together may > sound different when they goes together, for instance, 'at first > sight', we may know those three words but we have never listen to > those words together it's possible that that fact may give us > difficulty. > > It's the same about numbers. In that series, you can hear several > dates, e.g. eleven and a half thousand years ago, nine thousands years > ago, etc. We know the numbers, but at normal or high speed, we may not > be able to understand the amounts spoken or may lose others parts of > the sentences spoken while trying to figure out what figures were > said. Well, that's the idea. I hope it helps. > > Thank you, > > Pablo > > On 21 jul, 06:10, Humberto - Tecgraf <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Pablo, I really appreciated your tips! > > > > MSN e Google Talk: [email protected] > > Web: camelini.blogspot.com > > > > 2010/7/20 Pablo <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beto, > > > > > Keep listening/watching/writing. Keep practicing. The important thing > > > is that you enjoy your practice and that you understand what you read/ > > > listen to. The more you understand, the better. The more you enjoy, > > > the better. > > > > > Here the link that Ed share to us: > > > > >http://successfulenglish.com/2010/06/more-pleasure-more-english/ > > > > > And to remember: > > > > > "You won't learn anything from the movie if you don't understand it. > > > You probably won't enjoy it, either. :-( " > > > > > I invite you to read the section "What to do when you don't understand > > > something" in: > > > > >http://www.antimoon.com/how/movies.htm > > > > > although I don't agree about this point: > > > > > "If you are playing the movie from tape or DVD, you can stop it > > > whenever you don't understand a sentence." > > > > > If you stop the movie whenever you don't understand a sentence, or opt > > > for looking up words in your dictionary, you are lost! you aren't > > > enjoying your movie at all! If you want do that exercise, use movie > > > clips (e.g.http://www.learnenglishfeelgood.com/eslvideo/or > > >http://www.englishcentral.com/en/videos). > > > > > Well, about the subtitles option, I think it's good and bad. Good > > > because you can learn new words/expressions. Bad because you don't > > > focus in your listening. > > > > > Let's take an example. You watch a movie that you understand, let's > > > say a 70%. You don't turn subtitles on. So, what's next? You have to > > > watch it again with subtitles on, doesn't it? Or, if you are having > > > bad times: to turn subtitles on, just from the beginning, aren't you? > > > > > Well, for me, an option might be: > > > > > 1. Watch the movie once with subtitles on. > > > 2. Watch it again without subtitles, or better, listen to the movie- > > > audio, if you have or can extract the sound track of the movie. > > > > > I think it does help to listen to them repeatedly. In that way we can > > > pay more attention to how the words are used. Because that's how the > > > acquisition of new words/expressions is achieved, I mean, listening to > > > them an enough number of times, doesn't it? > > > > > Well, it's worth to extract some key phrases from Warren's article: > > > > > "Look for books, podcasts, or movies that are 100% comprehensible > > > (understandable) so you can focus on the content, not the words." > > > > > "Pleasure – that feeling of happy satisfaction you get from doing > > > something you really enjoy – is a strong indicator, or sign, that > > > whatever you’re reading or listening to is helping to improve your > > > English." > > > > > "Focus on narrow reading and listening. Read books and listen to > > > podcasts or movies in a genre (category or kind) that you already find > > > interesting. Read or listen to the same topic or watch many of the > > > same kind of movie so that similar vocabulary will continue to > > > naturally come up until it is acquired." > > > > > I hope it helps friends! > > > > > Pablo > > > > > On 19 jul, 06:04, Beto Camelini <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > To improve my english, I´m trying these things: > > > > 1. Reading more; > > > > 2. Listening more (even without understand everything, I don´t use > > > > subtitles); > > > > 3. Trying to understand words in context, avoid searching in a > portuguese > > > > dictionary; > > > > 4. Watching movies; > > > > 5. Talking with others, by msn, discussion groups or, if possible, in > > > > person. > > > > > > I think these are good steps to begin. > > > > > > MSN e Google Talk: [email protected] > > > > Web: camelini.blogspot.com > > > > > > 2010/7/18 rohan bhargava <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I like to tell you that problem you are facing happens to many > > > people.It is > > > > > very common problem to all begginers.Even this happen to me also.I > used > > > to > > > > > watch english movies,listen english songs but sometimes i don`t get > > > them.I > > > > > don`t understand that dialog line. > > > > > Whenever,I speak in english a question is always going in my > mind-"Is i > > > am > > > > > saying right thing?".Sometimes i want to express my views but i > don`t > > > get > > > > > the appropriate words for them.So don`t worry for this.It will be > all > > > > > wright.So i suggest you to keep practicing. > > > > > Take care > > > > > Rohan > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Eduardo Costa <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> Hi Beto, > > > > >> I know how you are felling, sometimes I fell the same when I´m > > > writing, > > > > >> but this felling is decreasing as much I write. > > > > >> So I think as much you practice your writing skill (here in this > group > > > per > > > > >> example) will be better and better. > > > > >> Two things I had done to help me in this line: > > > > > > >> First: I assumed I´m an english learn, so I had no obligation to > write > > > > >> totally correct, the fact is that when I write I know that exists > > > mistakes > > > > >> but I´m not so concerned about that. > > > > > > >> Second: I revised my emails (informal) just one time.. no more. > Just > > > > >> because every time I revise my own emails I changed what I had > wrote. > > > > > > >> Any suggestions ? > > > > > > >> Take care > > > > > > >> Ed. > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:44, Beto Camelini <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> Hi folks! > > > > > > >>> I´ve a big problem: I need think first in my native tongue > everything > > > I > > > > >>> try to talk or write in english. I´m trying to change this, but > it´s > > > very > > > > >>> hard. I know that if I could find a method to do this, my english > > > will > > > > >>> improve very fast, becausa I can understand most of things I > read. Do > > > you > > > > >>> have any suggestion, based on your experiences? > > > > > > >>> (Believe me when I say that I´m trying, but, for instance, write > this > > > > >>> email is something very complicated and slow) > > > > > > >>> Thanks a lot! > > > > > > >>> MSN e Google Talk: [email protected] > > > > >>> Web: camelini.blogspot.com > > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > >> "ESL Podcast". > > > > >> To post to this group, send email to: [email protected] > > > just > > > > >> reply this message > > > > >> For invite your friends, visit: > > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/members_invite > > > > >> Know how help us, visit this FAQ at: > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/web/frequently-asked-questions > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > "ESL Podcast". > > > > > To post to this group, send email to: [email protected] > > > just > > > > > reply this message > > > > > For invite your friends, visit: > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/members_invite > > > > > Know how help us, visit this FAQ at: > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/web/frequently-asked-questions > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "ESL Podcast". > > > To post to this group, send email to: [email protected] or > just > > > reply this message > > > For invite your friends, visit: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/members_invite > > > Know how help us, visit this FAQ at: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/web/frequently-asked-questions > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ESL Podcast". > To post to this group, send email to: [email protected] or just > reply this message > For invite your friends, visit: > http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/members_invite > Know how help us, visit this FAQ at: > http://groups.google.com/group/eslpodcast/web/frequently-asked-questions > -- Mohammadreza Abdollahi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ESL Podcast". 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