Hello Pln, Oshiro, Claire, Paulo, Misha, Briana, Wichuda, Dipodidae and all
I was trying to think over what means were used 200 years ago. I imaged that a few people were used to reading and writing and that newspaper were not so spread and common. I supposed mail was the main means to communicate over distance place, and maybe pigeons could flew with message tied at one leg. Then I had a quick search on wikipedia about telegraph...electric telegraph and morse alphabeth were invented later but a kind of 'ottic telegraph' were common at the time. It works tihs way: from the top of a tower a particular sequence of lights were blinked. The sequence was observed at distance from an adjacent tower and the sequece of lights was reproduced and so on till the farest tower. The sequence of lights used a known "code" and this way was possible to send fast a little number of messages. It was similar to american native smoke signals. I think this last way of communications certainly suits the definition "The more elaborate our means of communication,the less we communicate." especially If we want to transmit elaborated concepts. Moreover reading the quote I can feel a diffidence in technology. A diffidence that sometimes we experiment today when we are to think that technology doesn't ease our life but, on the contrary, make it more complicated. I perceive a mean as complex when I have to translate my message in a non natural language, or code, to exploit a the technology (like a sequence of lights or a morse alphabeth). I'd better say "The less a techology is close to natural language, the less we communicate" The best to all, Alberto 2009/8/29 pln471 <[email protected]> > > Hello Oshiro Claire Paulo Misha PR Andrew Alberto Briana Gail PR and > all communicators, > > I used this thread to discuss with 2 groups of students. > > In one group,I asked them what means of communication did people use > 200 years ago to make Joseph Priestly come up with a prediction as > such? > > One shy student impressed me with his vivid imagination that he gave > us so many answers which none of us thought about before. > > Now I'd like to ask you the same question: > What means of communication did people use to use 200 years ago? > > Looking forward to your inputs! > > Thanks and nice weekend! > Pln > > On Aug 27, 10:40 pm, Rafael Oshiro <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Claire, Pln, Mikhail, Paulo, Andrew (welcome), Albert, Briana, > Wichuda, > > PR and all!!!! > > > > This is a long thread, so I had to reserve some time to read all of the > > posts here. > > > > As time goes by, more I notice that you are as eccentric as you seemed > > before. Now it's my turn to pull your leg, Claire. LOL > > > > After reading all of your opinions I got the willing to express mine as > > well. > > When I first read the phrase "The more elaborate our means of > > communication,the less we communicate." by Joseph Priestly I understood > that > > in a different way. My understanding of that is that the more the > technology > > develops, the more people loose the face-to-face conversation. > > > > In the companies that I've been working at, people are getting > used/addicted > > to intant messengers, consequently, employees tend to talk less. Even > when > > someone needs to say something to his co-worker close to him/her, he/she > > sometimes send a message. Does that happens to someone here too? I think > so. > > > > Regarding the speed that information flows and spread around the world, > > internet is undoubtedly the best in my opinion. The one that I use the > most > > is email, sms and gtalk. > > > > I believe the world is getting smaller provided that we have many > > information and resources for free on the Internet. For you to go to > another > > country is easier and faster than ever. If you want to see the weather of > > any city in the world, you get it. If you want to talk to anyone in > > realtime, you get it too. > > > > That's my two cents!!! > > > > Enjoyed this thread!!! Very meaningful!! > > > > Have a nice day!!! > > Oshiro > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:50 AM, claire <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hello Oshiro Pablo Charles Pln Paulo Misha Alberto Briana Gail and > > > all, > > > > > It's very true as Alberto said,the one who knows best how to > > > communicate is choosing the most suitable way for those whom he/she > > > talks with... > > > Which tools or means of communication to use comes second actually. > > > > > Before I communicate with someone,I first find out their preferred > > > method of contact(i.e.voice mail.e-mail,memos,in person,etc.). > > > And I'm often glad that I ask them this question before our next > > > contact. > > > > > For instance,I myself never check or leave a voice mail. > > > If anyone doesn't know about it,he/she will never get a reply from me. > > > And I seldom answer unidentified calls after work... > > > > > Those who know me well know if they or their acquaintances want to > > > contact me have to remind me of their names or phone numbers first.LOL > > > > > I know I am being difficult when it comes to guard my privacy after > > > work,aren't I?LOL > > > > > Well,being an eccentric person or a nerd/geek has its benefit,isn't > > > it,Oshiro?LOL > > > I'm pulling your leg again...sorry!;) > > > > > The best mean of communication for me is time-saving and > > > convenient...but with a good taste or style! > > > I heard somewhere that a man broke up with his girlfriend or divorced > > > his wife over a text message! > > > That for me means a bad taste because it's disgusting!:( > > > > > Thank you all,except for Pablo,Oshiro or Charles:( for taking part in > > > this thread! > > > > > Pleasant day! > > > Claire > > > On Aug 23, 1:01 am, pln471 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hello Claire Gail Briana Alberto Mikhail Paulo and all, > > > > > > People today are definitely better connected than people before > > > > without mobile phone or Internet. > > > > But they seem to be more absent-minded and impatient than people used > > > > to be with stationary phone and pen. > > > > > > Sometimes when I sit on the playground watching my sons play in the > > > > sun,I like to look at the cloudy sky,trees,other children,and etc. > > > > Do you know what their parents do? > > > > You must have known my answer already...either talking on the mobile > > > > phone or checking their text messages as if it was the most important > > > > thing in the world at that moment. > > > > > > They may talk to a lot of people knowing what they're doing then,but > > > > have they really reached out to one another heart-to-heart? > > > > I seldom have online chats on Skype or gmail unless I know that > person > > > > well enough. > > > > I find messages more effective and less time-consuming than all live > > > > chats at this satge of my life!LOL > > > > Those who have chatted with me must have known that I often cut to > the > > > > chest and go straight down to business without much hesitation and I > > > > don't usually talk long,either. > > > > > > For me,the most important thing when it comes to choosing the most > > > > suitable means of communication is convenience and effectiveness. > > > > > > Thank you,Claire for the question! > > > > Great weekend to you all! > > > > It's nice to be back home and to the groups! > > > > Pln > > > > On Aug 22, 3:38 pm, PAULO LOPES <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > it's true these words, the greatest treasure of the humanity is the > > > > > comunication. without it we would be in the stone age. > > > > > > > Great Alberto > > > > > > > 2009/8/21 drbenzoni <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Dear Claire, Paulo, Wichuda and all, > > > > > > > > Communication is an interesting topic to discuss. First we use > > > different > > > > > > means to communicate in different ways or to different groups of > > > people. > > > > > > > > Mail is one to one, slow way. Phone call a real time one to one. > > > Email an > > > > > > asyncrhonous way to get in touch with a group of people at the > same > > > time. > > > > > > SMS a fast and asynchronous way to reach one person. So we choose > the > > > mean > > > > > > that better suits our message and intent. > > > > > > > > All this capability that communication technologies give us > today, > > > permit > > > > > > to communicate more, but, i think, not better. > > > > > > Communicating better involves to think over the entire process of > > > > > > communication and to figure out what the receiver of our message > will > > > get. > > > > > > So what I want to say? What I said does express clearly my > thought? > > > How the > > > > > > mean I use to communicate does influence the message? What does > the > > > receiver > > > > > > get? How does he understand it? > > > > > > The process is valid for all the means we use inclued face to > face > > > talk. > > > > > > > > Another important aspect is connection. We are in a physical > place > > > talking > > > > > > with other people and at the same time we are reachable with our > > > mobile or > > > > > > we have our laptop connected with email and social networks.In > this > > > way we > > > > > > are connected with different circles of people. > > > > > > In my opinion (and sure in my life!) all these connections > sometimes > > > > > > distract people from their activities and, not least important, > don't > > > let > > > > > > them the chanche to dialogue and to know better people near you. > > > > > > > > the best for you, > > > > > > alberto > > > > > > > > 2009/8/19 claire <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Dear all new or old,active or silent,;) > > > > > > > >> "The more elaborate our means of communication,the less we > > > > > >> communicate." > > > > > > > >> These were the words of Joseph Priestly over 200 years ago. > > > > > > > >> But if that was true,what would he make of communications > technology > > > > > >> today? > > > > > > > >> Do you think people today 'connect' better than people used to > with > > > > > >> the help of the Internet or mobile phone? > > > > > > > >> Which of the following do you find useful? > > > > > >> When do you use it? > > > > > >> Why? > > > > > > > >> mobile phone? > > > > > >> e-mail? > > > > > >> SMS? > > > > > >> MSN? > > > > > >> Blackberry? > > > > > >> Skype? > > > > > > > >> Thank you and best regards, > > > > > >> Claire- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ESL Podcast". 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