On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:17 AM Alan DeKok <al...@deployingradius.com>
wrote:

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:09 AM, John Mattsson <john.mattsson=
> 40ericsson....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Looking at the GitHub version after the latest changes. I don't think
> the tradeoffs make sense anymore.
> >
> > - Full handshake is now 4.5 round-trips
>
>   Does that account for large / long certificate chains?
>
> > - Resumption is now 4.5 round-trips.
> >
> > This does not seem like a good tradeoff or optimization at all. If we
> instead skipped Resumption, the full handshake could as far as I understand
> always be done in 3.5 round-trips. This would cut a large amount of
> complexity from the draft and implementations and make the protocol much
> faster.
>
>   That sounds good.  But how would this affect other TLS-based EAP
> methods?  They send data inside of the tunnel, which adds round trips.  So
> perhaps resumption is useful there?
>
>   It would likely be problematic if EAP-TLS doesn't support resumption,
> but TTLS / PEAP / etc. required it.
>
>
[Joe] It seems that resumption would help in the case that large
certificates cause multiple round trips.  Do you have an idea of how
widespread resumption use is in current EAP-TLS implementations?   Its
likely that TEAP implementations would use resumption, however they handle
commitment in a different way.


>   And of course, this ignores the timeliness of the changes.  I suspect
> that silence from the WG means that consensus is "we can afford to wait
> another year for EAP-TLS to be finished".
>
>   Alan DeKok.
>
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