Alan DeKok <al...@deployingradius.com> wrote:
    > While, there are commercial supplicant products, these products are
    > overwhelmingly used by the enterprise, on computers owned by the
    > enterprise, and managed by the enterprise systems.  They have zero
    > impact on the average user.

Today.
But, since a goal here was for IoT devices, this changes things:

1) Enterprises want to manage IoT device onboarding, and they overwhelmingly
   want to use EAP/1x.

2) IoT devices don't have users and can't even load a non-standard XML
   configuration.

    > In practice, an SDO like the Wifi Alliance, 3G / 4G  / 5G groups can
    > demand their members put root CAs into devices.  That can even demand
    > that the CAs follow certain policies.

    > I have no such power.  So it's unhelpful to say "just start your own
    > CA!"

Well, even if you were the Wifi Alliance, you'd also have a mindshare/bootstrap 
problem.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+i...@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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