Hi,

> Of course, the benefits of EAP-NOOB will be greater in organizations which 
> already use 802.1X authentication and which have larger numbers of IoT 
> devices than a single home. 

Particularly because many "home" access points / integrated
all-layer-devices do not support 802.1X so do not qualify as a NAS.

Which is unfortunate and yes it would be great to have 802.1X NASes
everywhere. :-) But for your scenario, it's a significant limitation if
you exclude a large percentage of homes.

(I don't dare make up any real percentage numbers; I'm sure this varies
a lot per country and per operator)

Greetings,

Stefan Winter


> 
> Anything else that we need to address?
> 
> Tuomas
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Howlett [mailto:josh.howl...@jisc.ac.uk] 
> Sent: Thursday, 18 February, 2016 19:28
> To: Mohit Sethi <mohit.m.se...@ericsson.com>; s...@ietf.org; emu@ietf.org
> Cc: Aura Tuomas <tuomas.a...@aalto.fi>
> Subject: RE: [saag] Fwd: New Version Notification for 
> draft-aura-eap-noob-00.txt
> 
> Hi Mohit,
> 
> This is an interesting draft, but I'm struggling to understand how this would 
> be deployed in the consumer settings that the document alludes to. For 
> example, who do you anticipate will be operating the NAS (the consumer?), AAA 
> server (the vendor?), and the AAA fabric between these actors?
> 
> Josh.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saag [mailto:saag-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mohit Sethi
>> Sent: 08 February 2016 15:34
>> To: s...@ietf.org; emu@ietf.org
>> Cc: tuomas.a...@aalto.fi
>> Subject: [saag] Fwd: New Version Notification for 
>> draft-aura-eap-noob-00.txt
>>
>> Dear all
>>
>> We have just submitted a new IETF Draft titled “Nimble out-of-band 
>> authentication for EAP (EAP-NOOB)”.
>>
>> The draft defines an EAP method where the authentication is based on a 
>> user-assisted out-of-band (OOB) channel between the server and peer. 
>> It is intended as a generic bootstrapping solution for 
>> Internet-of-Things devices which have no pre-configured authentication 
>> credentials and which are not yet registered on the authentication 
>> server. Consider devices you just bought or borrowed.
>>
>> The EAP-NOOB method is more generic than most ad-hoc bootstrapping 
>> solutions in that it supports many types of OOB channels. We specify 
>> the exact in-band messages but only the OOB message contents and not 
>> the OOB channel details. Also, EAP-NOOB supports ubicomp devices with 
>> only output (e.g. display) or only input (e.g. camera). Moreover, it 
>> makes combined use of both secrecy and integrity of the OOB channel 
>> for more robust security than the ad-hoc solutions. We have put a lot 
>> of effort into designing a robust security protocol.
>>
>> For one application example, we have used an earlier version of the 
>> protocol for bootstrapping security for ubiquitous displays: the user 
>> can configure wireless network access, link the device to a cloud 
>> service, and register ownership of the device for a specific cloud 
>> user – all in one simple step of scanning a QR code with a smart 
>> phone. There seemed to more potential to this idea than just using it 
>> for our own system, and thus we decided to write a generic EAP method for 
>> out-of-band authentication.
>>
>> The draft is available here:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aura-eap-noob-00
>>
>> Please see if you can make use of it. We look forward to your feedback 
>> and comments.
>>
>> Regards
>> /--Mohit
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:     New Version Notification for draft-aura-eap-noob-00.txt
>> Date:        Mon, 08 Feb 2016 04:30:35 -0800
>> From:        internet-dra...@ietf.org
>> To:  Tuomas Aura <tuomas.a...@aalto.fi>, Mohit Sethi
>> <mo...@piuha.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-aura-eap-noob-00.txt has been successfully 
>> submitted by Tuomas Aura and posted to the IETF repository.
>>
>> Name:                draft-aura-eap-noob
>> Revision:    00
>> Title:               Nimble out-of-band authentication for EAP (EAP-NOOB)
>> Document date:       2016-02-08
>> Group:               Individual Submission
>> Pages:               35
>> URL:https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-aura-eap-noob-00.txt
>> Status:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-aura-eap-noob/
>> Htmlized:https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aura-eap-noob-00
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>     Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) [RFC3748] provides support
>>     for multiple authentication methods.  This document defines the EAP-
>>     NOOB authentication method for nimble out-of-band (OOB)
>>     authentication and key derivation.  This EAP method is intended for
>>     bootstrapping all kinds of Internet-of-Things (IoT) devices that have
>>     a minimal user interface and no pre-configured authentication
>>     credentials.  The method makes use of a user-assisted one-directional
>>     OOB channel between the peer device and authentication server.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of 
>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at 
>> tools.ietf.org.
>>
>> The IETF Secretariat
>>
>>
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