Sure, the way Microsoft has "educated" the world, people are only buying 
(leasing) their "OS" (or more likely buying a machine with their OS installed) 
because it runs a particular application they need or want to use.  MS DOS was 
something that they bought from somebody else inexpensively (it started off 
being QDOS, that name given by the guy who wrote it because it was a quick and 
dirty operating system, they lost the "Q" so it was then a MS dirty operating 
system)  The "genius" was the gui and the point and click interface that ran on 
top of DOS that put computers in every home and business.  Ask most average 
joes about computers and they're going to say Microsoft, or maybe Apple.  It's 
only the people that have been stung by MS business practices, security, disk 
fragmentation, ineptitude, etc. that actually think "is there something else?"

I like the idea of running windows in a VM ( I run it dual boot now), but it's 
going to need some horsepower to run Fusion 360, more than it would running 
natively.  If someone was going to invest in the hardware to do that, might as 
well buy a MAC (I would suggest a Windows PC, but most of those come with a 
bunch of bloatware which can be a pain/impossible to get removed).  Maybe one 
day Fusion 360 will be browser based and therefore not choosy about OS?

Martin



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From: Chris Albertson

My claim about Windows from the beginning in the 1990's was that no one
ever bought Windows because they wanted to run Windows.   They bought it
because they wanted to run MS Office or some game or some other software
that requires Windows.     Or, I guess another reason is they bought it
because it came pre-installed on some hardware they wanted.  But very few
people ever wanted just MS Windows

When Windows was new it actually was a kind of "shim" that went between the
application and DOS to provide a window and mouse interface.   Over time
they made it into an actual OS but still to this day its real use is just
way to run a certain class of graphical software.

Linux is a little different in that Linux is just the OS.    The graphical
stuff you see is something added on and there are a half dozen popular
windowing systems in use over top of Linux (Android being #1)     Apple's
Mac OS is kind of that way too.  It is a big layer over top of UNIX.    If
would be good for Microsoft to split up Windows and make it a layer over a
base OS so we can choose each independently.   It might happen, don't know.

Today except for home users, itis very common to run virtualized instances
of Windows.   The virtual images an exist on a server and run on desktop
hardware and in this way the end user's Windows instance follows him to any
random desktop hs sits at.   Home users tend to use systems whwere the
hardware is tried more firmly to the software with software being install
on the local hard drive.   But virtualization is widely used in the
industry both for servers and desktops.

But runf this on top is UNIX is not so common are runing on top of a "bare
metal" viruralmachine,  these can be much lighter weight.   Microsoft's
"Azure" cloud service provides millions of vertual machines and they say at
least half of them run Linux.  Even Microsoft is now agnostic about OSes
and runs them in virtual hardware.



On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 12:49 PM <tom-...@bgp.nu> wrote:

> Indeed!  I've always said one should run Windows as an application in Unix
> as god intended ;-)
> -Tom
>
>
> > On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:35 PM, Chris Albertson <albertson.ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Almost all of this Windows BS goes away if you run Windows in a VM.
> The
> > easy and secure way to run Windows is to first install Linux (or use Mac
> OS
> > if on a Mac) and then a VM and then Windows.    Then it does not need
> video
> > or wifi drivers and you can snapshot the new Windows 10 install and later
> > if/when the system is messed up.  click reset and get back to the last
> > snapshot.   You user data is likely on a file server so the reset will
> > correct any issues nearly instantly
>
>
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