On Saturday 11 November 2017 05:24:30 andy pugh wrote:

> On 11 November 2017 at 03:01, Gene Heskett <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> > With Andy recommending about 10 mills, then I'd need 390 ohm r's for
> > current limiters.
>
> Thinking about this further, are you sure there are no limiters on the
> BoB? I can't imagine the ebay vendors exposing bare optos to the
> clueless user?

You could be correct, I'll have to dislodge it from its resting place, 
but in that case, why did they not put a flea clip jumper on it to power 
the things. There isn't one, and docs on this thing are all but 
non-existant. If there are, I can put an interconnecting ground on it, 
and put 5 volts out to the switches common and let them switch the 5 
volts to the input terminal.  This board can be had for 4 dollars, 
probably with free shipping off fleabay. It was small and didn't have a 
bunch of gingerbread on it, just one small relay. No thru port etc.

I'll investigate with a dvm and see if thats practical to do yet today. 
If thats the case, and I can verify a resistance between the input 
terminal and a leg of the moc, and a ground to that gnd terminal from 
all the other mocs, its a go. Or alternatively, an r of suitable value 
to one leg of each moc, and a dead short from the other leg on that side 
of the moc to the input terminal. The downside is that puts 5 volts 
straight from the supply out on those switches, which is not good 
engineering at all. Humm. I have +12, +24 regulated and around +35 
unregulated, all available right in that box for relay coils etc, so a 
bigger r from a higher voltage could feed the switch common, with that 
higher R supplying a safety current limiting function in the event of a 
short.  I like that idea.  My coffee is obviously taking effect. :)
Another cuppa and feed Dee, and I'll get legal for public viewing and go 
check.

Thanks Andy, you triggered some thinking I wasn't doing well yesterday 
after tiring a bit.

> > Anyway, another ten dollar assortment will be here in about 3+ weeks
> > I guess. No wholesalers still exist that I'm aware of without a run
> > to Pittsburg PA, about 150 miles north
>
> I suddenly feel rather lucky that I can cycle 5 miles to a shop that
> opens even on Sunday and buy simple components (
> https://www.maplin.co.uk/c/components/electronics-components ) and get
> almost anything else with free next-working-day delivery from RS
> components.

I'm jealous. Even 20 years ago my nearest source was in Fairmont, nearly 
40 miles up the superslab.0

> On the subject of electronics, my cheap eBay hot air rework station
> arrived yesterday. I have to say that it is far better than the £22
> asking price had me expecting. It made very short work of swapping out
> some SOIC8 packages, though I did pull up some pads removing a 100-pin
> LQFP. But then I doubt I could have ever got that off with an iron,
> and I don't think the problem was any fault of the device.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.
>TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.X858d.TRS0&_nkw=858d&_sacat=0

I've had an 853D (on down that page quite a ways) for a couple years, 
paid a lot more than that for it. It needs 2 improvements, first being 
an active retainer strap for the hot air hand piece, its always falling 
out of the holder, and another 3 feet of cord on the iron.  When I'm 
using it on something inside my machinery's stuff, its a pita rigging 
something for it to sit on so the iron can reach to where the joint is. 
But it beats another similar unit that suffered a control board failure 
and no schematics or parts available and that I paid $209 for. It had a 
builtin air pump for the hot air thing that I may yet convert to solder 
sucker.

Thanks Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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