On Friday 09 December 2016 14:51:15 Peter C. Wallace wrote:

> >> Also regards grounding, you need to watch out for ground loops that
> >> let high frequency noise currents flow between the 7I90 and the
> >> CPU.
> >
> > Humm, would one of those clamp-on ferrite chokes help? Packrat that
> > I am, I'm pretty sure I could find one.
>
> A ferrite bead on the connections to the RPI and 7I90 will help, if
> you put it on the cable between them you will make things worse
> (raising ground impedance)
>
> >> The most critical signal is the clock from the SPI master.
> >> Depending on the drive strength it may require a series termination
> >> resistor (the 7I90 SPI output are series terminated so need no
> >> termination )
> >
> > Thank you Peter, this points me in the right direction. And I'll
> > term the signals _from_ the r-pi at the r-pi. Would it be too much
> > loss if I used 120 ohm r's? I am pretty sure I can find enough of
> > those. Obviously I haven't a clue what the source impedance of a pi
> > gpio pin is or what its swing is. The r-pi of course is running on 5
> > volts but I'd expect thats cut way down for power savings.
>
> I would suspect that the output impedance of the RPIs signals is not
> lower than 25-50 Ohms so 120 is probably too high.
>
Which is probably why the only mention I have seen was for 80 ohms, since 
if its 50, plus 80=130, supposedly spot on for ribbon cable.

> Also note that when using series termination you must look at the
> signals at the destination (the signals will look funky at
> intermediate points)
>
I had forgotten that pesky detail, thanks a bunch.

> Also you need either a passive probe (easy to make with a 450 Ohm
> resistor into a 50 Ohm coax/50 Ohm scope input) or a FET probe, a
> normal 10M probe is pretty much useless for SI checking (way way too
> much input capacitance)

Yup.  Since both of my scopes are high impedance, I'll have to make the 
whole thing, terminating in a 50 ohm load at the scopes input.  Been 
known to use a small 51 ohm commercial load on the other side of a bnc 
tee for that.  But in my world of video, RG-58 isn't on the shelf.

7559 from Susan Clark (Clark Wire & Cable) in the windy city is my goto 
video cable. Well (110+ db) shielded, limp as well cooked spaghetti. I 
changed out about 4 miles of stuff with West Penn lables on the spools I 
inherited in 1984, that my predecessor built the place with. You could 
see the crosstalk on the air!  Horrible stuff that West Penn was.

Thanks Peter.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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