We resurrected a MilwaukeeMatic IIIb.

http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/oldkandt.JPG
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSCCurrent.JPG
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/frntcontroller.JPG (we 
used a 386 as a tape emulator)

The original control was used well into the 2000's and finally died.  We 
then converted to linuxcnc (obviously ;) )

It was all discrete components - no IC's.  It did circular and linear 
interpolation (all be it - we never got it perfect - you could see the 
faceting..)  But worked quite well.  Very limited GCODE

http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/cheatsheet.JPG

I don't know how many  cards it had - but it was a bunch...
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/card1.JPG
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/rearcontrller.JPG
(that was only the lower half of the control)

This was a 2.5 axis + table index machine with hydraulic servos. The X, 
Z and B axis all shared the same hydraulic servo.  (they are all 
separate now)  We are still using most of the axis drive train - the Z 
axis being the most convoluted.  It runs through atleast 5 sets of zero 
backlash gears + zero backlash linear spline.  We have the backlash of 
that axis down to a few tenths.  The rest are zero.

The drawings are dated 62ish and the machine was delivered to a local 
manufacturer in the late 60s.

We still use the beast daily and linuxcnc has given it a new life. It 
does things now the designers only dreamed of back then. The machine is 
a tank.

sam



On 8/31/2016 11:37 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
>> On 31 August 2016 at 07:42,  <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Got into a bizarre argument... so of course it was initially "Computer 
>>> Numeric Control".  I was noting people breaking it down to explain it to 
>>> people as "which means it's 'computer numeric controlled'" but that seems 
>>> to add nothing to the meaning.  In fact it's confusing.
> Before CNC, there was NC (or tape-NC).  No computer.  The
> Moog Hydra-point control read a wide tape which had the
> positions coded on it with air nozzles, similar to a player
> piano.  The position encoders on the machine slides also
> used many holes and air nozzles to encode position.  The
> control was entirely pneumatic.  The comparison between
> commanded position and encoder position controlled Moog
> hydraulic servo valves to move the machine by hydraulic
> motor and leadscrew.  That was an example of "extreme" NC.
>
> GE made controls that were electronic and digital, and used
> traditional (but very limited and concise) G-code.
> These had hundreds of boards full of discrete Germanium
> transistors.  It was all functional logic, no computer.
> The basic control did positioning only.  If you wanted
> linear interpolation, you had to add a couple hundred more
> boards.  if you wanted circular interpolation, add another
> couple hundred boards. There was no CRT, just an LED
> position display and paper tape.
>
> Bridgeport and others had early CNC systems that worked
> about the same way, no CRT, just an LCD display with very
> terse information.
>
> Finally, in the late 60's or early 70's CNC with CRT
> displays came out.
>
> So, the term "CNC" was used to distinguish the advanced
> capabilities of having a computer IN the machine control, as
> opposed to the limitations of the earlier NC systems.
>
> Jon
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