On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 11:23 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >    I have seen (youtube) the conversion of an automotive alternator to
> > a stepper motor. The fields are pulsed and no motion occurs until the
> > rotor has dc voltage applied. Would it be possible to use this type of
> > stepper to overcome some of the speed and torque limitations of a PM
> > stepper?
> The problem/advantage of the alternator is it has much lower pole 
> count.  I suspect the pole count is WAY too low for it to be much use as 
> a step motor.  I think most of them are around 4-8 poles.  What you can 
> do with them is use them as brushless motors.  Whether the torque ripple 
> and velocity ripple makes them useful as a servo motor can be debated.  
> My guess is the ripple is pretty bad, but a tight control loop could 
> make them work.  I know some people have done it.
> >  Could you reduce the voltage at faster speeds and get better
> > performance. Maybe you could size it so more voltage to the rotor
> > could give more torque during the cut?
> > Just thoughts of someone who knows NOTHING about stepper motors. :)
> >   
> The step driver is basically a current source, and everything it does to 
> the motor is based on current, not voltage.
> You need enough supply voltage to overcome the motors generated voltage 
> (back EMF) at any particular speed.
> 
> Jon

I think alternators are very inefficient even as alternators. Using them
as motors seems less than productive considering that there are cheap
alternatives. All of the alternators I have worked on have had cast
finger cores so that eddy currents must get pretty high with a load. I
think these are meant to operate at a high load just long enough to
replace the charge used up during engine starting, and then mostly idle
while running lights, etcetera. I have noticed some new alternators,
that are smaller than normal which might have a more efficient
construction, maybe so they can run under a higher load all the time ,
and to save space.
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Kirk
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/



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