On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Rainer Stengele wrote:
> Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik:
>> On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Mead <paul.d.m...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Rainer Stengele <rainer.steng...@diplan.de> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day.
>>>>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my
>>>>> agenda
>>>>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables.
>>>>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks
>>>>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking).
>>>>>
>>>>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over
>>>>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on?
>>>>>
>>>>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate
>>>>> these
>>>>> or jump to these.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly
>>>>> regular holes in the ranges, for example
>>>>>
>>>>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00]
>>>>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax)
>>>>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example)
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Rainer
>>>> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as
>>>> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely
>>>> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a
>>>> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important
>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>> Hi Rainer and Paul,
>>>
>>> Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this
>>> but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup
>>> I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do
>>> manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual
>>> scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring
>>> that the start and end times match over the clocking period.
>>>
>>> It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered
>>> agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries
>>> that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you
>>> look at the entire clocking data.
>>>
>>> The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and
>>> never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and
>>> without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the
>>> invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I
>>> now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the
>>> data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time.
>>>
>>> Maybe something like the following mock up?
>>>
>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>>> Day-agenda (W15):
>>> Wednesday 13 April 2011
>>> todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49)
>>> org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug
>>> :ORG:WORK:tuning::
>>> todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast
>>> todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28)
>>> 10:00...... ----------------
>>> todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv
>>> todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^
>>> todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> 12:00...... ----------------
>>> 14:00...... ----------------
>>> 16:00...... ----------------
>>> 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17)
>>> todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News
>>> :PERSONAL::
>>> 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> -
>>> 18:00...... ----------------
>>> 20:00...... ----------------
>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul,
>>
>> these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time,
>> so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master.
>>
>> This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for
>> clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes.
>>
>> The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently
>> displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around
>> with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off
>> log view, for example.
>>
>> Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking
>> information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful.
>>
>> There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues.
>> The default value is
>>
>> (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks
>> '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around
>> ("4:00")))
>>
>> which means the following:
>>
>> 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours,
>> 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes
>> (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it
>> to one minute or so)
>> 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes
>> (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....)
>> 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap.
>> This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the
>> last evening task and the first morning task.
>>
>>
>> Testing and feedback would be much appreciated.
>> Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view,
>> but testing of this would be appreciated as well.
>>
>> Happy holidays!
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>
> Hi Carsten,
>
> excellent, I already found some gaps and overlaps in last weeks work
> clockings!
>
> 1. I wonder how to get rif of the lunch break "gaps". Of course I could
> clock the lunch time as such,
> but I would prefer to provide my daily fixed lunch time in order to
> - ignore any gap occuring between start and end of "lunch time"
>
> OK I just set
>
> :gap-ok-around ("4:00" "12:30")
>
> which did what I wanted. But imagine I would have my lunch break from 12:31
> to 12:55. The break would be reported as gap.
> I would rather have a clock range wherein anay gap would be ignored.
> Did I understand something wrong?
>
>
> 2. Maybe the fonts or the indicating strings for "gap" and "overlap" could be
> made configurable?
This is now the case. for example
(setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks
'(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00")
:default-face ((:background "Red")) :gap-face ((:background "green")))
Cheers
- Carsten
>
> I would try to make these two look differently.
>
> Thanks again! Marvelous!
> I will use the function daily or at least weekly!
>
> - Rainer
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- Carsten
