Ah! you caught me :)
I've just pushed up documentation. -- Eric
Carsten Dominik <carsten.domi...@gmail.com> writes:
> This is great, I like it. Maybe a change to the manual
> would be appropriate?
>
> Best wishes
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Dec 17, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> Thanks for all you help on this front. I've just pushed up the patch
>> with your suggested syntax (which is much better than my original).
>> It
>> allows the following behavior.
>>
>> The following org
>> #+begin_src org
>> #+CAPTION: A wide table with tabulary
>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary width=\textwidth align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>
>> #+CAPTION: A normal table with tabularx
>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table tabularx width=\textwidth align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>
>> and now a simple table
>>
>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>> #+end_src
>>
>> exports to the following tex
>> #+begin_src latex
>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>> \caption{A wide table with tabulary} \label{tbl:wide}
>> \begin{center}
>> \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>> \end{tabulary}
>> \end{center}
>> \end{table*}
>>
>>
>> \begin{table}[htb]
>> \caption{A normal table with tabularx} \label{tbl:wide}
>> \begin{center}
>> \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>> \end{tabularx}
>> \end{center}
>> \end{table}
>>
>>
>> and now a simple table
>>
>>
>> \begin{center}
>> \begin{tabular}{rrr}
>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>> \end{tabular}
>> \end{center}
>> #+end_src
>>
>>
>> Thanks -- Eric
>>
>> "Thomas S. Dye" <t...@tsdye.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> A syntax like this, with a width attribute, seems most like Org-mode
>>> to me:
>>>
>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX table* tabularx width=\textwidth align=llXrl
>>>
>>> If that isn't a reasonable possibility, then, yes, the square
>>> brackets
>>> should be changed. These represent optional arguments in LaTeX. The
>>> width argument is required by tabularx and tabulary, not optional, so
>>> it looks like an error from a LaTeX point of view. Changing the
>>> square brackets to curly brackets in this case would have the
>>> advantage of looking a lot like the underlying LaTeX.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the pointer, how about this revised version of the patch.
>>>> It
>>>> takes the following inputs
>>>>
>>>> #+begin_src org
>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table with tabulary
>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary[\textwidth] align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>>
>>>> #+CAPTION: A normal table with tabularx
>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table tabularx[\textwidth] align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>> #+end_src
>>>>
>>>> and yields the following output
>>>>
>>>> #+begin_src latex
>>>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>>>> \caption{A wide table with tabulary} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>> \begin{center}
>>>> \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>> \end{tabulary}
>>>> \end{center}
>>>> \end{table*}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> \begin{table}[htb]
>>>> \caption{A normal table with tabularx} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>> \begin{center}
>>>> \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>> \end{tabularx}
>>>> \end{center}
>>>> \end{table}
>>>> #+end_src
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure about the square bracket syntax, maybe curly would be
>>>> preferable. Definitely open to suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Should this be applied? Are there any obvious areas for
>>>> improvement?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>> index a261171..af0a15d 100644
>>>> --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>> +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>> @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>> (org-table-last-column-widths (copy-sequence
>>>> org-table-last-column-
>>>> widths))
>>>> fnum fields line lines olines gr colgropen line-fmt
>>>> align
>>>> - caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp)
>>>> + caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp
>>>> tblenv)
>>>> (if org-export-latex-tables-verbatim
>>>> (let* ((tbl (concat "\\begin{verbatim}\n" raw-table
>>>> "\\end{verbatim}\n")))
>>>> @@ -1758,6 +1758,16 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>> 'org-label raw-table)
>>>> longtblp (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>> (string-match "\\<longtable\\>"
>>>> attr))
>>>> + tblenv (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "table*") attr))
>>>> + "table*" "table")
>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>>> + (progn
>>>> + (message "attr:%s" attr)
>>>> + (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>> + (string-match "\\(tabular.*\\)\\[\\(.+\\)\\]"
>>>> attr))
>>>> + (list (match-string 1 attr) (match-string 2 attr))
>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment))
>>>> align (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>> (string-match "\\<align=\\([^ \t\n\r]+\
>>>> \)" attr)
>>>> (match-string 1 attr))
>>>> @@ -1821,7 +1831,8 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>> (concat
>>>> (if longtblp
>>>> (concat "\\begin{longtable}{" align "}
>>>> \n")
>>>> - (if floatp (format "\\begin{table}%s\n"
>>>> placement)))
>>>> + (if floatp
>>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}%s\n" tblenv placement)))
>>>> (if floatp
>>>> (format
>>>> "\\caption%s{%s} %s"
>>>> @@ -1832,8 +1843,15 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>> (if (and org-export-latex-tables-centered
>>>> (not longtblp))
>>>> "\\begin{center}\n")
>>>> (if (not longtblp)
>>>> - (format "\\begin{%s}{%s}\n"
>>>> - org-export-latex-tabular-environment align))
>>>> + (if (listp org-export-latex-tabular-environment)
>>>> + (apply
>>>> + #'format
>>>> + (append
>>>> + (list "\\begin{%s}{%s}{%s}\n")
>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>>> + (list align)))
>>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}{%s}\n"
>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>>> align)))
>>>> (orgtbl-to-latex
>>>> lines
>>>> `(:tstart nil :tend nil
>>>> @@ -1847,12 +1865,14 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>> nil)))
>>>> (if (not longtblp)
>>>> (format "\n\\end{%s}"
>>>> - org-export-latex-tabular-environment))
>>>> + (if (listp
>>>> org-export-latex-tabular-environment)
>>>> + (car
>>>> org-export-latex-tabular-environment)
>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment)))
>>>> (if longtblp "\n" (if org-export-latex-
>>>> tables-centered
>>>> "\n\\end{center}\n"
>>>> "\n"))
>>>> (if longtblp
>>>> "\\end{longtable}"
>>>> - (if floatp "\\end{table}"))))
>>>> + (if floatp (format "\\end{%s}"
>>>> tblenv)))))
>>>> "\n\n"))))))))
>>>>
>>>> (defun org-export-latex-convert-table.el-table ()
>>>>
>>>> "Thomas S. Dye" <t...@tsdye.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>
>>>>> The syntax for tabularx and tabulary includes a width specification
>>>>> that is a required argument:
>>>>>
>>>>> \begin{tabulary}{<width>}{<align>} ... \end{tabulary}
>>>>> \begin{tabularx}{<width>}{<align>} ... \end{tabularx}
>>>>>
>>>>> This is typically set to something like \linewidth, \colwidth, or
>>>>> \textwidth, but might also take an absolute length like 250pt, 5in,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The attached patch implements the behavior described previously,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> example the following org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+begin_src org
>>>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table with tabulary
>>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>>>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+CAPTION: A normal table with tabularx
>>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table tabularx align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>>>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>>
>>>>>> exports to the following latex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+begin_src latex
>>>>>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>>>>>> \caption{A wide table with tabulary} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>>>> \begin{center}
>>>>>> \begin{tabulary}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>>>> \end{tabulary}
>>>>>> \end{center}
>>>>>> \end{table*}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> \begin{table}[htb]
>>>>>> \caption{A normal table with tabularx} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>>>> \begin{center}
>>>>>> \begin{tabularx}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>>>> \end{tabularx}
>>>>>> \end{center}
>>>>>> \end{table}
>>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this behavior and patch look reasonable? If I don't hear by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> end of the day I will apply this patch, I just wanted to check
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> list as the export mechanisms aren't my personal area of
>>>>>> expertise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>> index a261171..66541de 100644
>>>>>> --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>> +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>> @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>> (org-table-last-column-widths (copy-sequence
>>>>>> org-table-last-column-
>>>>>> widths))
>>>>>> fnum fields line lines olines gr colgropen line-fmt
>>>>>> align
>>>>>> - caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp)
>>>>>> + caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp
>>>>>> tblenv tblrenv)
>>>>>> (if org-export-latex-tables-verbatim
>>>>>> (let* ((tbl (concat "\\begin{verbatim}\n" raw-table
>>>>>> "\\end{verbatim}\n")))
>>>>>> @@ -1758,6 +1758,15 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>> 'org-label raw-table)
>>>>>> longtblp (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>> (string-match "\\<longtable\\>"
>>>>>> attr))
>>>>>> + tblenv (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "table*")
>>>>>> attr))
>>>>>> + "table*" "table")
>>>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>>>>> + (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "tabularx")
>>>>>> attr))
>>>>>> + "tabularx"
>>>>>> + (if (string-match (regexp-quote "tabulary") attr)
>>>>>> + "tabulary"
>>>>>> org-export-latex-tabular-environment))
>>>>>> align (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>> (string-match "\\<align=\\([^ \t\n\r]+\
>>>>>> \)" attr)
>>>>>> (match-string 1 attr))
>>>>>> @@ -1821,7 +1830,8 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>> (concat
>>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>>> (concat "\\begin{longtable}{" align "}
>>>>>> \n")
>>>>>> - (if floatp (format "\\begin{table}%s\n"
>>>>>> placement)))
>>>>>> + (if floatp
>>>>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}%s\n" tblenv
>>>>>> placement)))
>>>>>> (if floatp
>>>>>> (format
>>>>>> "\\caption%s{%s} %s"
>>>>>> @@ -1852,7 +1862,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>> "\n\\end{center}\n"
>>>>>> "\n"))
>>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>>> "\\end{longtable}"
>>>>>> - (if floatp "\\end{table}"))))
>>>>>> + (if floatp (format "\\end{%s}"
>>>>>> tblenv)))))
>>>>>> "\n\n"))))))))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (defun org-export-latex-convert-table.el-table ()
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.e...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the informative list. I had no idea LaTeX supported
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> table options. How about I update the patch so that is supports
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> following sets of mutually exclusive options...
>>>>>>> - longtable :: wraps the table in a longtable with no table or
>>>>>>> tabular
>>>>>>> wrappers -- already implemented
>>>>>>> - table* :: replaces =table= wrapper with =table*= wrapper,
>>>>>>> contains an
>>>>>>> inner tabular wrapper
>>>>>>> - tabular[xy] :: specifies the inner tabular wrapping
>>>>>>> environment,
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> one can be specified
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so for example, the following
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #+begin_src org
>>>>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table
>>>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> results in the following
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #+begin_src latex
>>>>>>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>>>>>>> \caption{A wide table} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>>>>> \begin{center}
>>>>>>> \begin{tabulary}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>>>>> \end{tabulary}
>>>>>>> \end{center}
>>>>>>> \end{table*}
>>>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the next question would be how to insert a =figure*= instead
>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>> simple =figure= environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas S. Dye <t...@tsdye.com> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be great to have a more general solution. Tables are
>>>>>>>> hard to
>>>>>>>> typeset, so it might take a while to come up with a good
>>>>>>>> specification. Here is what I know about the LaTeX side of
>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** LaTeX destinations for an Org-mode table
>>>>>>>> *** Environments for typesetting a table
>>>>>>>> - table placed in the output where it occurs in the input
>>>>>>>> - all of these environments can be used on their own
>>>>>>>> **** tabular
>>>>>>>> standard LaTeX environment, doesn't break across pages, no
>>>>>>>> caption
>>>>>>>> **** tabularx
>>>>>>>> extended environment that can automatically calculate column
>>>>>>>> widths and wrap text within table cells, doesn't break across
>>>>>>>> pages, no caption
>>>>>>>> **** tabulary
>>>>>>>> like tabularx, but tries harder to come up with optimal column
>>>>>>>> widths
>>>>>>>> **** supertabular
>>>>>>>> extended tabular environment that breaks across pages,
>>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>>> caption
>>>>>>>> **** supertabular*
>>>>>>>> like supertabular, but for wide tables in a multicolumn page
>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>> **** mpsupertabular
>>>>>>>> like supertabular, but also handles footnotes within the table
>>>>>>>> **** mpsupertabular*
>>>>>>>> like mpsupertabular, but for multicolumn page layouts
>>>>>>>> **** longtable
>>>>>>>> extended tabular environment that breaks across pages and
>>>>>>>> includes a caption, but can't be used in a multicolumn page
>>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>>> *** Environment for floating a table and adding a caption
>>>>>>>> floats a table typeset by some other environment to a place in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> output that LaTeX determines appropriate, probably not where it
>>>>>>>> occurs in the input
>>>>>>>> **** =table=, single column document
>>>>>>>> typically wraps a =tabular=, =tabularx=, or =tabulary=
>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>> **** =table*=, multi-column document
>>>>>>>> typically wraps a =tabular=, =tabularx=, or =tabulary=
>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>> *** "Typical" uses
>>>>>>>> In our report production work we regularly use seven setups:
>>>>>>>> - table or table* wrapped around tabularx or tabular
>>>>>>>> - longtable
>>>>>>>> - tabular or tabularx on their own
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hth,
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The attached patch allows the use of table* latex tables from
>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>> Org
>>>>>>>>> mode documents using the attr_latex lines, for example
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table
>>>>>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should this be added, or should we put together a more general
>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>> for different types of table environments? Currently only
>>>>>>>>> longtable
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> supported. Also, is there already a way to do this that I have
>>>>>>>>> missed?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>>>>> index a261171..b7f48d3 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>>>>> @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>>> (org-table-last-column-widths (copy-sequence
>>>>>>>>> org-table-last-column-
>>>>>>>>> widths))
>>>>>>>>> fnum fields line lines olines gr colgropen line-fmt
>>>>>>>>> align
>>>>>>>>> - caption shortn label attr floatp placement
>>>>>>>>> longtblp)
>>>>>>>>> + caption shortn label attr floatp placement
>>>>>>>>> longtblp
>>>>>>>>> tblenv)
>>>>>>>>> (if org-export-latex-tables-verbatim
>>>>>>>>> (let* ((tbl (concat "\\begin{verbatim}\n" raw-table
>>>>>>>>> "\\end{verbatim}\n")))
>>>>>>>>> @@ -1758,6 +1758,9 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>>> 'org-label raw-table)
>>>>>>>>> longtblp (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>>>>> (string-match "\\<longtable\\>"
>>>>>>>>> attr))
>>>>>>>>> + tblenv (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "table*")
>>>>>>>>> attr))
>>>>>>>>> + "table*" "table")
>>>>>>>>> align (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>>>>> (string-match "\\<align=\\([^
>>>>>>>>> \t\n\r]
>>>>>>>>> +\
>>>>>>>>> \)" attr)
>>>>>>>>> (match-string 1 attr))
>>>>>>>>> @@ -1821,7 +1824,8 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>>> (concat
>>>>>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>>>>>> (concat "\\begin{longtable}{" align "}
>>>>>>>>> \n")
>>>>>>>>> - (if floatp (format "\\begin{table}%s
>>>>>>>>> \n"
>>>>>>>>> placement)))
>>>>>>>>> + (if floatp
>>>>>>>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}%s\n" tblenv
>>>>>>>>> placement)))
>>>>>>>>> (if floatp
>>>>>>>>> (format
>>>>>>>>> "\\caption%s{%s} %s"
>>>>>>>>> @@ -1852,7 +1856,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>>> "\n\\end{center}\n"
>>>>>>>>> "\n"))
>>>>>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>>>>>> "\\end{longtable}"
>>>>>>>>> - (if floatp "\\end{table}"))))
>>>>>>>>> + (if floatp (format "\\end{%s}"
>>>>>>>>> tblenv)))))
>>>>>>>>> "\n\n"))))))))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (defun org-export-latex-convert-table.el-table ()
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