* Ihor Radchenko <yanta...@gmail.com> [2020-11-25 14:48]: > > When I do C-c a it runs (org-agenda) but I do not have "g" and I am on > > development version. The C-c a window is made so that I cannot go with > > cursor inside and that I cannot even expect the key map neither invoke > > command by M-x and I cannot even M-: > > C-c a will first show so-called agenda dispatcher asking you what kind > of agenda view you want to get. You need to press a key according to > the popup window (i.e. `t' to see all not done items). Then, you will > get the proper agenda buffer with all the keymaps set and `g' bound to > refreshing the chosen agenda view in the buffer. > > > All that is wrong and not aligned to Emacs common interface. It is bug > > that bugs. Agenda buffer should allow users those standard Emacs > > features. > > I am wondering what is the common Emacs interface you refer to. I am not > aware about any standard way to prompt user while also showing detailed > description of what to expect from different choices.
It is maybe not standard, but I never expected in last 20 years to get blocked when having some window as menu in front of me. Please look how mu4e is showing menu and compare: 1. when I open mu4e the menu does not block me to divide screen in 2 windows 2. org-agenda blocks me, it denies me using Emacs interface. This is personally disturbing and makes accessing Org agenda repetitive Observe how C-x C-f tries to find file: 1. it opens minibuffer and does not disturb user to move from minibuffer to other buffer to find references. I often have file names in other buffers and I move to minibuffer to open specific file 2. org-agenda does not allow any movement It is usability question. Personally I do not mind as I am transitioning and using Org files not anymore for planning, rather for documents. Org agenda window shall simply get a focus and be displayed in read-only Org mode with few key bindings invoking those commands. This way both the minibuffer and other windows remain accessible. I have tried to be nice when describing my experience with it. In very kind way I can say that I do not find it usable. Reference: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/usability-101-introduction-to-usability/ For me it was not easy for reason that org-agenda offers 16 different menues and that I cannot keep open org-agenda window and move to other window for references. It requires me to write notes on paper to be able to use org-agenda. When searching for things I often use other window, I do copy and paste into minibuffer, read info files or other buffers. Consider this a bug, and it is already here on the mailing list. Jean
