Hey folks, any resolution you would like to see here? Not sure what I 
should do next.

On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:26:44 PM UTC-5 Yordis Prieto wrote:

> I am with Wojtek on this one
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:04:59 PM UTC-5 woj...@wojtekmach.pl 
> wrote:
>
>> FWIW here’s Req implementation for http date encoding/decoding: 
>> https://github.com/wojtekmach/req/blob/5bfbccc698f7639b890d8829cefb5a12903eece0/lib/req/utils.ex#L251:L325.
>>  
>> I’m sure decoding can be significantly improved but I’d expect it to be 
>> reasonably fast already.
>>
>> Personally I would not create a package for <100 LOC that can be easily 
>> copy pasted around but that’s just me. For this reason while I wouldn’t 
>> mind having it in core it’s fine it isn’t. (I’d guess for better or worse, 
>> mostly worse lol, it is second most commonly used format, after iso8601, 
>> which obviously _is_ in core.)
>>
>> Regarding a format for proposals I don’t believe there’s one. What I like 
>> to do, with varying success, is to send a good old usage examples like:
>>
>>     iex> Foo.bar()
>>     :baz
>>
>> I think that goes a long way.
>>
>> Do you argue for adding it to Calendar or NaiveDateTime, or DateTime. 
>> Should it be called parse_http_date or parse_rfc1123 or something else? Why 
>> this and not that? Should we encode as well? If you want to add something I 
>> think the onus is on you to try answering those questions.
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2024, at 23:30, Yordis Prieto <yordis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wojtek and I have the same situation and experience. I created the issue 
>> after reviewing 
>> https://github.com/elixir-tesla/tesla/pull/639#discussion_r1853107509 
>> and realized that we don't have an established package for this. It sounds 
>> like httpd_util is the perfect place for this.
>> Personally, I would love some alignment more than anything. An 
>> organization like Plug, Phoenix, or anyone dealing with HTTP would own a 
>> tiny package just for this. I will copy and paste the code for now, but we 
>> could share more between Reg, Tesla, Plug ... all these HTTP-related things 
>> since the HTTP spec is one.
>>
>> In terms of specs, it is similar to httpd_util.rfc1123_date; I need 
>> clarification on the proposal's format. Do you have a good example I could 
>> follow? Otherwise, I will trying to find a reference to lean on
>>
>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 4:40:45 PM UTC-5 woj...@wojtekmach.pl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, the Plug link I sent is obviously about encoding to that format 
>>> not decoding from it. It’s late here, sorry about that.
>>>
>>> On 22 Nov 2024, at 22:38, Wojtek Mach <woj...@wojtekmach.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>> httpd_util.rfc1123_date/1 encodes a date, I believe this topic is mostly 
>>> about decoding.
>>>
>>> As an http client author I’m +1 for this because it occasionally comes 
>>> up in the type of work I end up doing.
>>>
>>> That being said, I think it’d be more productive to have an actual 
>>> proposal, what would be the function name, args, and returns values and 
>>> consideration for how it fits within the standard library.
>>>
>>> As an aside, my recommendation would be to instead of bringing in a 
>>> dependency, copy-pasting this from Plug 
>>> https://github.com/elixir-plug/plug/blob/v1.16.1/lib/plug/conn/cookies.ex#L99:L139.
>>>  
>>> This, though, might be the primary reason _not_ to add this, it’s easy to 
>>> copy-paste a rock solid implementation from an authoritative source in Plug.
>>>
>>> On 22 Nov 2024, at 22:15, Christopher Keele <christ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe such an Elixir-friendly tool would be useful, but does not 
>>> belong in the Elixir language itself.
>>>
>>> In the spirit of a slim but extensible core, functionality and 
>>> especially structs in Elixir stdlib tend to be limited to:
>>>
>>> - Things useful to any domain, that can only be realized optimally in 
>>> the language itself
>>> - Things required by the language tooling itself
>>>
>>> For example, you see general things like Range parsing/structs in stdlib 
>>> because their membership tests work with guards and the *in* operator, 
>>> so the language itself has to be able to operate on them. And you see 
>>> things like the URI parsing and semantic Version structs in the stdlib 
>>> because they are required for mix to be able to fetch libraries and resolve 
>>> version constraints.
>>>
>>> If Elixir needed to deal with this date format to work, or if they were 
>>> more general-purpose, there'd be a stronger case for inclusion. As it, it 
>>> probably belongs in one of the general-purpose HTTP handling libraries as a 
>>> dependency.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, you can always go pouring through the erlang stdlib's 
>>> much more kitchen-sinky set of tools for these sorts of things to see if 
>>> functions that accomplish what you want are already available to you from 
>>> erlang itself, without extra dependencies. For example, I knew that erlang 
>>> comes with a pretty robust http server/client implementation. I remembered 
>>> that it has a module called :httpc, so I found the docs for the application 
>>> that contains it, :inets. I noticed an :http_util module in there, and it 
>>> seems to have the functionality you want. For Elixir compatibility, you 
>>> just need to translate between erlang and Elixir, something like:
>>>
>>> defmodule HTTPDate do
>>> def now(calendar \\ Calendar.ISO) do
>>> calendar |> DateTime.utc_now() |> from_date_time()
>>> end
>>>
>>> def from_date_time(date_time = %DateTime{}) when date_time.utc_offset == 
>>> 0 do
>>> {
>>> {date_time.year, date_time.month, date_time.day},
>>> {date_time.hour, date_time.minute, date_time.second}
>>> }
>>> |> :httpd_util.rfc1123_date()
>>> end
>>>
>>> def from_date_time(other), do: raise("expected a DateTime in UTC (GMT), 
>>> got: #{inspect(other)}")
>>>
>>> def to_date_time(string, calendar \\ Calendar.ISO) do
>>> with {{year, month, day}, {hour, minute, second}} <- :httpd_util.
>>> convert_request_date(string),
>>> {:ok, date} <- Date.new(year, month, day, calendar),
>>> {:ok, time} <- Time.new(hour, minute, second, {0, 0}, calendar) do
>>> DateTime.new(date, time, "Etc/UTC")
>>> else
>>> # Normalize :httpd_util.convert_request_date errors
>>> :bad_date -> {:error, :invalid_date}
>>> # Date/Time/DateTime.new errors
>>> {:error, reason} -> {:error, reason}
>>> end
>>> end
>>> end
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 6:18:50 PM UTC-6 yordis...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I came across a PR that required parsing 
>>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Date, so the 
>>>> person reached out for a third-party library.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if Elixir should handle parsing HTTP Date or allow the 
>>>> construction of a Date using the day name (Mon, Tue ...), month name (Jan, 
>>>> Feb), and other formatting from HTTP Date.
>>>>
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