Hi:

And what about creating a WaylandMir? This is: as there is XMir that allows to run X apps over Mir, there should be possible to create a piece of code that translates Wayland calls to Mir calls. It should be even lighter than XMir because there are a lot of things in X that you must implement, even if you don't use them, but Wayland and Mir, conceptually are so similar that this should be much easier, and need much less resources...

El 11/07/13 00:57, Daniel Foré escribió:
Obviously that's ridiculous to think elementary would write all those apps. Our 
mission is to build a platform, not every app you would expect to ever find. 
That's what 3rd party developers are for.

Anyways, as Jono clarified, Gtk+ apps will run in rootless X so no need to 
freak out.

Best Regards,
Daniel Foré

El jul 10, 2013, a las 3:48 p.m., Jo-Erlend Schinstad 
<joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com> escribió:

On 11 July 2013 00:28, Daniel Foré <dan...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
See Jono's clarification :)

There is absolutely no reason to believe that not supporting Gtk+ would doom 
Ubuntu to fail. Android and iOS launched just fine without supporting Windows 
or OS X apps.
However, neither Android or Ios were designed to be Desktop operating systems. 
Ubuntu is. When you connect a big screen, keyboard and mouse to your phone, 
you're supposed to get exactly that. In order for _that_ to succeed, you really 
do need all the apps you can get. Removing all GTK applications from the 
desktop would seriously limit the chance of success.
And in fact, this is not so different from our expectations either. A serious 
OS needs apps that are built specifically around it's platform. Cross platform 
apps suck.
Then Elementary OS is planning on writing everything from office suits to movie 
editors because none of the current ones are specifically designed for 
Elementary? Good luck with that. Guess it'll take a while.

I would fully expect it to seem odd that someone would try to run GIMP on 
Ubuntu 16.04 just like it would be odd for someone to want to run Krita on 
Ubuntu now.

I don't think that's particularly odd at all, since it's possible now. Removing 
the _possibility_ of running Krita on Ubuntu, however, would be a seriously odd 
thing to do.

Had to take a trip to #Ubuntu-mir on Freenode. I asked about this and Robert 
Carr replied: «We've always said that we were creating a GTK  backend. but it's 
behind anything for the phone or the system compositor of course :)»

_That_ makes sense.

Robert Carr is one of the big names in Mir development.





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