Simplicity is the keynote to K4 Remote. If you have an external IP address, you only have 
to fill in a few fields to get going. You do have to set up a "port forward" 
rule in your router in order to make YOUR K4 accessible to remote control ops. All the 
routers have different web pages to do this but they're pretty simple to navigate. 
Mostly. ;-)  If all you want to do is control remote K4's, you only have to type in their 
address and, if established, password. It really couldn't be easier.

/Rick N6XI

On 12/15/23 10:08 AM, Lou Laderman wrote:
I’m not particularly networking savvy, in fact I’m at the opposite end of 
networking familiarity. I’ve contacted Wayne a few times to ask that the K4 
remote solution (whether K4/K4-0 or VK4 software) follow the KISS principle and 
make connectivity simple enough for someone like me. I’m hoping I won’t have to 
try to figure out tunneling, setting up a VPN or any of the other alphabet soup 
solutions that quickly turn into blah blah blah for me.

73, Lou W0FK


Lou Laderman
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On Dec 15, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Rick Tavan<r...@tavan.com>  wrote:

Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming.
I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in
Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency.

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY<kj7...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Rick:

The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s
CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you
an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name
because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is
a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from
getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks.

The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service
like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO
have addressable IP addresses.

73, Adrian


On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan<r...@tavan.com>  wrote:

Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs,
external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses
frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested
K4
Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it
works
fine.

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave<dave.g4...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info.

One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?)
ISPs no
longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The
system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address
translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to
home
broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't
usually
free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they
support the K3.https://www.remotetx.net/

73 Dave G4AON
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