On 1/13/2019 6:46 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
the feedline is a wire dangling from the antenna
that isn't connected to anything on the other end.
That "dangling wire" is actually *two* wires, and the field of one cancels the 
field of the other for no net radiation or reception -- at least that is the condition 
we're trying to achieve. That isn't the same as a single wire which by definition would 
be a common-mode conductor as you correctly say.
You're confusing common mode with differential mode. Differential mode is the nicely equal currents at every point on the line, which do, indeed, cancel. But common mode current is the DIFFERENCE between currents that are not equal.

Once common-mode current is reduced to a small enough value, then the open-wire 
line isn't radiating nor receiving. But... you gotta measure the common-mode 
current to know. I have done so.
WHERE are you measuring it? You do realize that, like any antenna, current varies along the wires that make up the antenna. A choke attempts to force the current to zero AT THE POINT WHERE THE CHOKE IS PLACED. You're putting it at the tuner, so it forces current to zero there. But a quarter wave up the feedline, the current reaches a maximum value.
The instrument used to measure this is quite simple.
 I'd be very interested in how you're measuring the current at the antenna feedpoint. :) That is NOT so simple.


a choke that doesn't fry with TX
power probably isn't doing anything useful.
A choke dissipates power only in it's resistance, not it's reactance, and only 
due to the common-mode current. If the parameters of the choke are chosen 
correctly for the frequency band, and if the choke reduces common-mode current 
to a low enough value, then the power dissipated in the choke can be very low 
even when you're operating at high power.
Yes.  Because power is I squared R, it is changing twice as fast as R is changing, and current is determined by R.  So making R very large makes current very small, which minimizes power dissipated by the choke.
A choke that burns up at high power is certainly not inevitable nor normal and 
can be fixed by re-designing the choke. There are a number of ferrite mixes 
available and they seem to each be optimum for a slightly different part of the 
HF spectrum.

There are, in fact, nearly two dozen different ferrite mixes in the Fair-Rite catalog, but only a small fraction of them are useful for common mode chokes on frequencies that we care about. #31 material is the most useful between 160M and 2M; #75 is useful between 630M and 40M. I'm currently investigating a relatively new material that MAY be useful on the higher HF bands, but it's a fairly high Q material, and Fair-Rite's cores are a pretty wide-tolerance part. My recent Cookbook is based on having measured more than 200 cores, then winding chokes on cores that are at the limits of those I measured, and making recommendations on the basis of worst-case results from those cores at the limits. That works for #31, because it's a very low Q part in this range.

Well designed ferrite chokes are very low-Q parallel resonant circuits are resonant (or near resonant) in the frequency ranges where they will be used, and it is the very high value of resistance that makes it a good choke. Why? Because a choke that is mostly inductive, with very little resistance, can resonate with the rest of the transmission line in the common mode circuit, INCREASING the common mode current rather that decreasing it. But resistance ALWAYS reduces the common mode current. A choke without a lot of resistance is quite sensitive to the ELECTRICAL length of the feedline, which, of course, increases with increasing frequency.  That's why a coil of coax, or coax wound on a low loss toroid like Fair-Rite #61 is a lousy choke.

There's also the twist that permeability is actually a complex quantity (real 
and imaginary parts) which has a direct bearing on the resistance and reactance 
of the choke, but I won't go into that at this time.

Yep. Folks can read about it in k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf  which is a tutorial that I wrote more than ten years ago. There are two components, mu' and mu''; the first is what we've always called mu, and describes the inductance; the second tells us the value of a resistance in series with the inductor that, from a circuit analysis point of view, defines the loss coupled to the wire from the core. And both mu' and mu'' both vary (a LOT) with frequency.

I'm not going to go beyond this on the reflector, but will refer interested readers to that tutorial, and to my latest work, a major update of the Choke Cookbook published in the first edition of the tutorial. The update is k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

______________________________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:[email protected]

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to [email protected]

Reply via email to