I'll agree with that Ian, set it a 3KHz, then let the user define his own split offset once split is activated.
Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 3 Oct 2014, at 09:11, Ian White <gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk> wrote: > > The reason for programming a default "smart split" is to move the TX VFO > *away* from the frequency of the DX station. "How far to move?" is a > secondary issue. > > No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but > anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split > for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very > acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is > only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't > hugely important. > > The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be > zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user > double-presses A>B to escape from the "SPLIT N/A" situation, it brings > both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away > from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. > > Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection > against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has > become an industry standard. With one notable exception. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Joe >> Subich, W4TV >> Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48 >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A >> >> >>> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on >>> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY >>> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. >> >> However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B >> button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital >> and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on >> a different band rather than SPLIT N/A. >> >> Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick >> Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely >> to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart >> Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW, >> UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote: >>> Frank, >>> >>> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and > to >>> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you > are >>> right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I > have a >>> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to >> engage >>> split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT > button >>> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works > just >>> fine. >>> >>> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you? >> Personally, >>> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split > once, >>> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying". And I do > not >>> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and >> CW/SSB >>> on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is > not >>> exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does >> occur. >>> >>> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a > double >>> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance. >>> >>> Dick, K8ZTT >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Frank >>> Westphal >>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM >>> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A >>> >>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the > Split >> N/A >>> error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from >>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split >>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then >> change >>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This > is >>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. >>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a > company >> to >>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a > product >> easy >>> to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware > fix for >>> this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for > the >> last >>> year. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Frank >>> K6FW >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Frank >>> Westphal >>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM >>> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A >>> >>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the > Split >> N/A >>> error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from >>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split >>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then >> change >>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This > is >>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. >>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a > company >> to >>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a > product >> easy >>> to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware > fix for >>> this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for > the >> last >>> year. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Frank >>> K6FW > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0...@sky.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
