I would just note that a comparison with publishing in a society journal is not apples to apples. Itβs free or nearly so to the author, but the reader requires a subscription. The comparison here was to the cost to publish Open Access, which is typically 1500-2000 dollars. Preprints get around that.
I believe the jury is still out on preprints, myself, but clearly some people find value in them. Ali K. Research Data Management Librarian Auburn University On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 9:31 PM cruzan <cru...@pdx.edu> wrote: > In response: > > 1. The submissions are not peer-reviewed. You can post anything there. > They just screen for stuff that is offensive or "non-scientific." I wonder > what percentage are ever published. > > 2. I wonder who is citing these papers and where and why? If they are not > reliable resources then why cite them. I'm guessing people want to get some > results out quickly or maybe get some feedback to make the review process > go better. > > I don't see the point of posting anything on a website like this one. The > papers are suspect unless peer reviewed and I seriously doubt that any > search committee or any promotions committee would accept a paper posted at > this web site or any others like it as a valid publication. The peer review > process is not perfect, but in most cases we get it right. If you publish > in journals run by non-profit professional societies it will cost you much > less and sometimes nothing at all. > > Mitch Cruzan > > On 6/1/2018 12:24 PM, Malcolm McCallum wrote: > > Hi, > Do many of you use bioarxiv? > I recently became familiar with it, and in searching literature, I noticed > many papers deposited in it have citations in excess of 100. It brought me > to wondering about the role of a preprint server, and read about 30-40 > different commentaries and research articles about preprint servers last > night. the parallel preprint server in physics and math, arxiv, has been > around since 1991. There are a growing number of people who put their > paper in the database, then update it, but don't ever publish it. There > are a number of op-eds and such that suggest these servers will never or > absolutely will replace journals in the near future. > > I have to wonder how long it will be before this overtakes journals for > scholarly communication. > > 1. some funders are requiring papers to be deposited in a preprint > server.. > 2. there is no delay. > 3. there is opportunity for feedback, sort of a post-peer review, and for > you to revise the article, with all versiions freely available. > 4. it is fully accessible by Google Scholar, probably the most used > scholarly search engine at this time. > 5. it is fully citable in a manuscript, I saw some that had over 150, and > one with 180 citations. A lot were in the 30's. > 6. outside of tenure and review committees, the purpose of pubs is > communication, so if 1-5 are true, I have to wonder why I should fork out > $1500 to some journal to put my findings behind a paywall. Yes, I plan to > publish what I have already posted, but it has crossed my mind as to > whether there is even a point. One could even question whether a typical > tenure and review committee would even notice or care if these are > preprints and not publications if one has been cited dozens or hundreds of > times. This is further reinforced by a trend to evaluating scientists > based on their citations and their paper's citations rather than on the > citations to the journals in which they have published (investigator impact > instead of journal impact). > > Anyone else starting to wonder about this? > > -- > Malcolm L. 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