I am a PhD student from the University of Toronto in Helene’s Wagner lab 
and I am doing my thesis work with natural populations of Heliconia 
tortuosa in Costa Rica. In a general way, for my PhD thesis we want to 
know the effect of fragmentation on pollination, seed dispersal and the 
natural populations of Heliconia tortuosa in Las Cruces, Costa Rica. In 
one part of the PhD thesis I will do germination experiments, in which 
we will collect seeds of Heliconia tortuosa from fecal samples. These 
seeds will be germinated and then the germination rates will be compared 
with experimental treatments we will make using different chemical 
and/or manual scarification processes and a control in which the pulp 
will be washed off to obtain Heliconia tortuosa seeds. The aim of this 
experiment is to obtain germination rates as similar as possible as the 
germination rates from fecal samples and to observe if gut passage time 
has an effect on germination. The main reason for doing this is because 
we are limited for doing field germination experiments by the amount of 
seeds obtained from fecal samples, so we want to test if germination 
rates from seeds with chemical scarification would be similar to the 
germination rates from those from fecal samples. If so, then we could 
chemically scarify seeds in the future to use them for germination 
experiments in the field. So I have some general questions that would 
help me to plan my experiment:

1.      For doing the chemical scarification, I have read that H2SO4 is 
more commonly used than HCl, but I do not know why. What is the 
difference between both acids?
2.      I have not found any information about the pH of the acids in 
the proventriculous of Turdus grayi (which is the bird species that we 
will use in our gut passage experiment) or any other birds. Do you know 
more or less which would be a good pH to use for the chemical 
scarification experiment? I have found some vague information that the 
pH in a bird’s proventriculous is between 0.5  and 3.
3.      For the chemical scarification treatment, we are going to 
submerge the seeds in the acid for 5, 10 and 15 minutes. These times 
were set because I read an article that the gut passage time of another 
Turdus species is between 20 minutes and an hour (although they had low 
sample sizes). So I am assuming that naturally the seeds would be 
exposed to acid in the proventriculous for ¼ of the total gut passage 
time. So setting the 5, 10 and 15 scarification treatments would 
translate in 20, 40, and 60 minutes gut passage time. However, I do not 
know if this assumption is true. Do you have any knowledge of an average 
time that a seed remains in the proventriculous of a bird?

I would appreciate if you could help me with any information you know, 
like references, books, articles, your knowledge or if you know someone 
that could help me to clarify these questions. 

Thanks,

Luis

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