Wendee....

Great question, but I suspected you were going to get some of these responses 
coming in.

I suggest you come up with something more specific in how to measure this 
contribution you want to write about.

In short, I think most Educators would like to hear that their Students became 
Biologists of any kind and would thank them forever for their influence. I get 
comments from former Students, not all Biologists, but they still comment about 
the class they had with me. It feels good.

So, not every Student the Science Educators on this list or in general will 
every become a Scientist of any type.

I have led groups personally since the age of 20 to many places. Many of those 
people were not Science oriented from day 1 and are not Scientists of any kind 
today. 

We still send groups/individuals to many parts of this amazing Planet. 
Educators want some of their Students to become famous Tropical Ecologists in 
some cases. Not a bad goal and I understand. Not going to happen! Still 
life-altering experiences, they look at their surroundings, their life-style, 
conversations with others, trying to figure out who to vote for, etc., etc. 
with a different and more informed angle. I have led groups and told me they 
still hate Biology, but they had a different grasp on life in general and they 
were thrilled to have had the chance to participate.

Know you are an excellent writer, measuring this issue is going to get 
arguments from all sides. Am just guessing that the diversity in answers could 
add substance to your article. I know you will, but please tell it from both 
sides. 

Often they will have the same kind of impact. Educators on this list do some 
amazing things and just because you are not a U. level Professor with a Ph.D. 
and working with an NGO,etc. doesn't mean they are not making a contribution. 

Thanks for your time....probably telling you things that you already knew. You 
have traveled, but let me emphasize, making an educational contribution to our 
Planet does not always require a Ph.D. or in some cases, not even a HS diploma. 

I would agree 100% with the comments I have included below. We also work with 
many NGO's in other parts of the world that supply us with People that stun me 
on a daily basis with their local and beyond....knowledge.

Call me or e-mail me, I can give you some very specific examples with 
References.

*While it is not above and beyond their normal job duties, I'd argue that 
nearly all academic biologists make a substantial contribution to society 
through their teaching (not just their research).  For many of us, teaching 
makes up an equal or greater proportion of our workload than research.  And, 
many of us do give back through service to NGOs and government agencies, 
outreach to the public and school groups, etc.


*Let me echo that some of us academics are involved in working with 
environmental groups, serving on advisory committees to EPA, NOAA, and state 
environmental agencies etc. I am spending this week in the DC area on an 
advisory committee to NOAA Sea Grant. (It's better to be here than in NJ/NY.)

Thank you.

Mike Nolan

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